Actual Face shots with Actual Names

[Dan Rowden]

Here is an interesting question, applicable to both men and women:

If a genie gave you a choice between being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, which would you choose?

Oh, that's easy; I'd choose extremley attractive.

[Dan Rowden]

By the way, my errection is 6inches exactly.

Is that like a hard-on you get by mistake?

[Cory Duchesne]

By the way, my errection is 6inches exactly.

Is that like a hard-on you get by mistake?

What a weird question. I don't think I've ever got an erection on purpose before.

[Kelly Jones]

- Kevin's "Reminder" freeware. It has a list of reminders that appear when starting the computer.

I should use that software to remind myself that if I ever have a need for that software I should kill myself.

It is probably just me: whenever I read a vague one-liner, I think the writer is too afraid to explain something. Or is being deliberately coy, for basically the same reason.

Dan, why do you think the computer's memories are any different to your own? Do you have more say over when your own memories to do things will pop up? Perhaps you like the feeling of will that comes with the struggle to remember something?

[Kelly Jones]

David's question is illogical.

There's no such thing as being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, because the alternative always ensues in both situations. No matter how attractive something is, there will be a void that is "repulsed", and no matter how repulsive, there will be a huge cluster of things that is "attracted" through being repulsed.

I am what I am.

I just wish women weren't instinctive emotional manipulators. And I wish I always remembered that, no matter how one tries to express things to get women to think, they switch off as soon as you don't pay them any personal attention.

Nothing's wrong with me if I'm thinking clearly, yet she's bored and tired of the conversation. Tough for her. She should grow up.

[Tharan]

Here is an interesting question, applicable to both men and women:

If a genie gave you a choice between being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, which would you choose?

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What are the consequences of not choosing?

[Dan Rowden]

By the way, my errection is 6inches exactly.

Is that like a hard-on you get by mistake?

What a weird question. I don't think I've ever got an erection on purpose before.

It was a joke directed at your spelling err-or.

[Dan Rowden]

- Kevin's "Reminder" freeware. It has a list of reminders that appear when starting the computer.

I should use that software to remind myself that if I ever have a need for that software I should kill myself.

It is probably just me: whenever I read a vague one-liner, I think the writer is too afraid to explain something. Or is being deliberately coy, for basically the same reason.

Dan, why do you think the computer's memories are any different to your own? Do you have more say over when your own memories to do things will pop up? Perhaps you like the feeling of will that comes with the struggle to remember something?

I was thinking more of the sorts of things Kevin mentions in his advertising blurb for the software rather than the concept per se. Though, if I needed to start placing virtual post-its around the place I might start to wonder how complex I'd let my life become - and why.

[Shahrazad]

Attractive people are better off toning down their sexual features, that’s all I am saying.

Male features are very attractive to women. So if a man is bald or has a receding hairline, he should wear a wig or toupee. He should shave everyday because a beard would be sexy. If his eyes are pretty in any way, he should wear dark glasses. If his penis is large or has girth, he should chop off a chunk of it.

Actually, I have an even better idea. He should cut off his own testicles, and that would eliminate most of his masculinity, and hence his sexual features.
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[Shahrazad]

David,

If a genie gave you a choice between being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, which would you choose?

I don't think anybody at all would choose to be repulsively ugly. Why would you ask such an easy question?

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[Kelly Jones]

I was thinking more of the sorts of things Kevin mentions in his advertising blurb for the software rather than the concept per se.

Could you mention what these sorts of things are?

Though, if I needed to start placing virtual post-its around the place I might start to wonder how complex I'd let my life become - and why.

I tend to see it as a form of re-conditioning. I've certain habits, that tend to waste my time. Then my projects don't get a look-in.

[Kelly Jones]

I don't think anybody at all would choose to be repulsively ugly.

You don't know of the Ugliest Man in the World? Nietzsche devoted a whole chapter to him.

There are quite a few candidates, judging by the bleakness of the human landscape.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

If a genie gave you a choice between being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, which would you choose?

That's like asking king Solomon to choose between becoming awfully rich or splendidly wise.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the holder, not the beholder. But the only lie of ugliness lies in its hide.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

The woman may have gotten some benefit from the teachings, but do you really think that with her face burned off, she was any less distracting to the monks? Distracting in a different way perhaps, but still not treated like the men who did not have to burn off their faces to gain entry.

Some benefit? All her hearts desire got fulfilled. But if you're interested in the context of this myth, read this.

It was clear to anyone with untroubled eyes that her beauty was trouble - a beauty which was nothing but a representation of her old life, her old thought, all her attachment. She was misformed by the world she grew up in. There was no way to leave that behind but completely rejecting it by thorough action. She chose a burnmark but nobody asked her to do that.

"if thine eye serve as a snare to thee, cast it out"

If that was what was being taught, any monk who couldn't keep from being distracted by the female should have had his eyes plucked out.

The eye is the window of the soul. If the window is totally blackened out and stuck, it's best to just throw a stone through it to at least stand a chance. That's what the Ryonen story was about.

[ExpectantlyIronic]

Diebert,

She was misformed by the world she grew up in.

I'd contend that she was merely led to believe she was "misformed" by a few weak-willed monks who apparently weren't "enlightened" enough to simply deal with a bit of discomfort brought about by their sexual urges.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

I'd contend that she was merely led to believe she was "misformed" by a few weak-willed monks who apparently weren't "enlightened" enough to simply deal with a bit of discomfort brought about by their sexual urges.

At least she didn't paint a pair of extra lips on her head to mock the dedicated monks and defile the way. Or she unlearned - with pain, the only way, to engage in such mindlessness. What a blessing!

[Shahrazad]

You don't know of the Ugliest Man in the World? Nietzsche devoted a whole chapter to him.

I didn't know about him, but would like to know now.
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[David Quinn]

Dan,

DQ: Here is an interesting question, applicable to both men and women:

If a genie gave you a choice between being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, which would you choose?

DR: Oh, that's easy; I'd choose extremley attractive.

Why?

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[David Quinn]

Tharan,

What are the consequences of not choosing?

You die!

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[Katy]

I would say attractive for pragmatic reasons. It's easier to get and keep a job, you get significantly better deals in haggling situations, easier to get a taxi, on and on.

If the rest of the world is going to be so reliant on looks, so be it.



Personally, I think it's a silly question. I've been told if I actually try I'm rather attractive, but wearing jeans 2 sizes too big, 12 year old and stained tee-shirts and not brushing or frequently washing my hair pretty much completely negates that :p I suspect that is exactly what would happen in this question, as well... Takes too much time and energy so I only bother when I have a really good reason to. So, eh, I'll take the ability to be attractive if given a reason, and not caring most of the time. :)

[David Quinn]

Shahrazad,

I don't think anybody at all would choose to be repulsively ugly.

The woman in that Zen Story did.

Why would you ask such an easy question?

Well, let's examine it a little:

Being extremely attractive will naturally attract a lot of people to you, almost all of them being those unbearable shallow types who consider sexual allure and physical beauty important. If you possessed any conscience and inner life, your life would quickly become a hell.

Being repulsively ugly guarantees that you will be left alone, apart from being picked on occasionally. If anyone is attracted to you, it will be for what is inside you.

Chuang Tzu spoke about the value of being "useless" to people. He considered being useless a great blessing.

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[Dan Rowden]

Dan,

DQ: Here is an interesting question, applicable to both men and women:

If a genie gave you a choice between being extremely attractive or repulsively ugly, which would you choose?

DR: Oh, that's easy; I'd choose extremley attractive.

Why?

Because it's possible to ugly oneself down if circumstances called for it, but it's not so easy to pretty oneself up. Of course, this applies only in the world as it is now where such circumstances might arise.

[Dan Rowden]

Chuang Tzu spoke about the value of being "useless" to people. He considered being useless a great blessing.

Very ugly people are not useless to others, however. It's kind of impossible to be completely useless. The ugly person reminds those others how attractive they really are, and that's pretty useful.

[Shahrazad]

David,

What would you choose?

[Ryan Rudolph]

Tharan wrote:

How do you assume this? Why is this person you imagine so beholden to the deluded desires of others?

You are your environment. Pigs attract pigs, just like sexually attractive hedonists attract others like them. It is very hard to break free from ones biological conditioning when one is born with the aesthetic goods to excel at being incredibly sensual.

If I am born a pig, it is much more difficult for me to fly with the bald eagles, its not impossible, but it is more difficult. There is pig conditioning that is intimately tied into the physical appearance of the pig itself.

However I suppose it is remotely possible to witness a bald eagle that resembles a pig...
...(Sarcasm - yeah right, when pigs fly)...

Cory wrote:

Elizabeth, Ryan is actually regarded as very cute by most girls. He's been told he looks like Tom Cruise. I know because he's proudly told me this. I personally can't help but regard Ryan as Tom Cruise's rejected homonculous twin, put into an orphanage shortly after him and Tom were born. (I don't know if you remember the movie 'Twins' with Danny Devito and Arnold Schwartzenegger)

Congruently, Ryan's vanity and attatchment to women was quite pronouced the last time I dealt with him. It's really held him back from having satisfactorily radical aims in the past, IMO. It's pretty much for that reason that I resolved to keep my distance from him. One can only only turn down so many invitations to share his latest sexual partner, or help him film a screenplay (written by him) based on him being a porn star (this invitation in particular was quite reoccuring). He also had the tendency to rudely tell me that I had 'a goofy looking face'. But often he would do this shortly after I criticized something he said (often on the grounds of it being vain)

LOL, a very enjoyable read. nicely put. Good job at highlighting some of the most prevalent aspects of my unconscious past, and strengthening my argument in the process….

It’s amazing how much the ‘listening other’ is aware of, while the ‘conditioned speaker’ remains blinded by his own unconsciousness. It works both ways too.