Last lackey in the way of finishing off Bush.
Looked like they were getting to him today in Atlanta. About time. Finally getting the tough questions that should have been asked three years ago.
Kind of interesting scenario. First, you had two drama queens to set the mood. Two females who took out banners accusing Bush of war crimes. They were quickly subdued and escorted out.
Then, a male rose and actually engaged the defense secretary in a revealing exchange that lasted more than two minutes -- former CIA analyst.
Must have been staged that way. Brilliant.
The trick is to eliminate Rumsfeld. Then, Bush is fair game.
The whole thing was appalling in a so called free society. Kick the women out. First thing on the agenda.
Kind of reminded me of Islam.
Faizi
Rumsfeld
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/04/ ... index.htmlThree protesters were escorted away by security as each interrupted Rumsfeld's speech by jumping up and shouting anti-war messages.
Anyone in that setting who stood up and shouted (in opposition) at the speaker would be escorted out, male or female.
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MKFaizi
Duh..I know that.
Point is that it needed to be done and it was done -- especially the two minute engagement of Rumsfield by the former CIA analyst. Proved the lies used to go to war in Iraq.
Kicking the women out was good staging. "Look at the stupid bitches. Whining and crying. GET 'EM OUT OF HERE." Great macho stuff. Rumsfeld was feeling good. No real challenge. Kick the hysterical wenches out.
Then, a one on one rational engagement by a man with credentials. His act was to remain very calm. The women held banners and were screaming. They were easily eliminated and booed. Smart ass remarks from Rumsfeld. He felt secure; on top. Didn't count on the other pop up.
Great staging. The women set the tone. The man finished him off.
Get rid of Rumsfield and the same can be done with Bush.
Secretary of Defense takes on a whole new meaning.
Faizi
Point is that it needed to be done and it was done -- especially the two minute engagement of Rumsfield by the former CIA analyst. Proved the lies used to go to war in Iraq.
Kicking the women out was good staging. "Look at the stupid bitches. Whining and crying. GET 'EM OUT OF HERE." Great macho stuff. Rumsfeld was feeling good. No real challenge. Kick the hysterical wenches out.
Then, a one on one rational engagement by a man with credentials. His act was to remain very calm. The women held banners and were screaming. They were easily eliminated and booed. Smart ass remarks from Rumsfeld. He felt secure; on top. Didn't count on the other pop up.
Great staging. The women set the tone. The man finished him off.
Get rid of Rumsfield and the same can be done with Bush.
Secretary of Defense takes on a whole new meaning.
Faizi
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MKFaizi
Thanks for the link. I enjoy watching the guy sweat.
Really funny how he thought he had it made in the shade kicking out the two females and the young dude. He enjoyed heckling them.
Then, he got a suit. A CIA suit. He did not count on that at all. He was used to easy prey.
Good staging.
Let him feel real smug getting rid of the bitches and the boy. Build him up. Then, the one two punch.
Really amusing to see him try to blame it all on Colin Powell. Then, try to blame it on American soldiers.
"Well, why did they put on chemical gear?"
Duh..because they were told there were weapons of mass destruction that Rumsfeld now claims he did not ever say absolutely existed.
Much like a game of Chess. I think Rumsfeld will bite the dust over the next two or three months.
Starting to like Checkmate to me.
Faizi
Really funny how he thought he had it made in the shade kicking out the two females and the young dude. He enjoyed heckling them.
Then, he got a suit. A CIA suit. He did not count on that at all. He was used to easy prey.
Good staging.
Let him feel real smug getting rid of the bitches and the boy. Build him up. Then, the one two punch.
Really amusing to see him try to blame it all on Colin Powell. Then, try to blame it on American soldiers.
"Well, why did they put on chemical gear?"
Duh..because they were told there were weapons of mass destruction that Rumsfeld now claims he did not ever say absolutely existed.
Much like a game of Chess. I think Rumsfeld will bite the dust over the next two or three months.
Starting to like Checkmate to me.
Faizi
Gotta say, I sure hope he bites the dust. Have you heard of the governments plans for combating avian flu (should it become transferable to humans)? No aid to hospitals and doctors offices, the people are expected to take care of themselves is their plain in a nutshell. I don’t think it’s a bad thing for people to be self reliant, but why are people paying taxes again? I get the feeling America is a lot worse off than the government lets on.
The Rumsfeld video link is worth a look http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05 ... index.html
Reminds me of when Kofi Annan was being unrelentingly questioned about buying a Mercedes at discount through oil-for-food. These videos don't come along that often, but there's obviously a welcome shift towards more aggressive and persistent questioning recently.
Reminds me of when Kofi Annan was being unrelentingly questioned about buying a Mercedes at discount through oil-for-food. These videos don't come along that often, but there's obviously a welcome shift towards more aggressive and persistent questioning recently.
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MKFaizi
You are probably too young to remember -- most people are -- but it reminds me more of the winding down of the Nixon era. Not that I think anything that dramatic will happen. It should but the US is more jaded now than it was during the Nixon era.
By the standards of Watergate, Ronald Reagan should have been impeached. He was not and I doubt that Bush will be impeached.
This kind of questioning of Rumsfeld is what should have occurred BEFORE the US went to Iraq. Just prior to our invasion, I was appalled by the lack of questioning. I could not believe the acquiescence of the press. No challenge whatsover.
The next presidential election will start to rev up after the congressional elections in November.
I am looking at Mark Warner of Virginia. Good voice of reason. I am not sure anyone can get us out of Iraq but he is pretty sensible, for a politician.
Faizi
By the standards of Watergate, Ronald Reagan should have been impeached. He was not and I doubt that Bush will be impeached.
This kind of questioning of Rumsfeld is what should have occurred BEFORE the US went to Iraq. Just prior to our invasion, I was appalled by the lack of questioning. I could not believe the acquiescence of the press. No challenge whatsover.
The next presidential election will start to rev up after the congressional elections in November.
I am looking at Mark Warner of Virginia. Good voice of reason. I am not sure anyone can get us out of Iraq but he is pretty sensible, for a politician.
Faizi
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MKFaizi
I work in family practice. Yes, I realize we would have to fend for ourselves. That is actually nothing new. If the staff died of Avian flu, they could always be replaced with Mexicans willing to do jobs that Americans won't do.
In Bush-speak, American equals Rich. Mexican means anyone who will work for practically nothing and who can be replaced with another Mexican at the drop of a hat.
Avian flu might be a boon in finally finishing off the lower middle class of legal citizens -- the ones who cannot work for less than minimum wage.
The US is in need of a major shake up that I am not sure is even possible.
More than anything, the Rumsfeld episode reminded me of Firesign Theater. Firesign Theater was precursor to Monty Python.
I realize the philosophy kings here see no merit in paying attention to politics or worldly things but the world effects them, too.
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In Bush-speak, American equals Rich. Mexican means anyone who will work for practically nothing and who can be replaced with another Mexican at the drop of a hat.
Avian flu might be a boon in finally finishing off the lower middle class of legal citizens -- the ones who cannot work for less than minimum wage.
The US is in need of a major shake up that I am not sure is even possible.
More than anything, the Rumsfeld episode reminded me of Firesign Theater. Firesign Theater was precursor to Monty Python.
I realize the philosophy kings here see no merit in paying attention to politics or worldly things but the world effects them, too.
Faizi[/url]
It has to come to its own conclusion yes, but we were born into a world divided into political states with power, and we are going to feel the repercussions of their actions. Every action influences destiny, but it’s always inevitable. Keeping an eye on the world situation seems like a reasonable thing to do.
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MKFaizi
Have to agree with Oborden. I think it pays to be at least somewhat politically and geographically aware. The main reason the American people were duped into the war with Iraq was because most Americans don't know bin Laden from Saddam or a Sunni from a Shi'ite or much of anything else. Unfortunately, many Americans know very little geographically or politically about the US.
I saw a recent news report that showed Americans looking at a map of the US. Lots of people could not identify the state of New York on the map or New Jersey or whatever other state. Some of them thought that Florida was Texas. That's pretty bad.
Geographical and political knowledge will not get you to enlightenment but it may prevent you from being duped.
Faizi
I saw a recent news report that showed Americans looking at a map of the US. Lots of people could not identify the state of New York on the map or New Jersey or whatever other state. Some of them thought that Florida was Texas. That's pretty bad.
Geographical and political knowledge will not get you to enlightenment but it may prevent you from being duped.
Faizi
There is a huge difference between being aware of politics, and caring about them /investing in them emotionally.
As long as you take a side, any side, you are being duped. The only winning move is not to play. This rule applies to any expansion or contraction of essential human delusional behaviour.
As long as you take a side, any side, you are being duped. The only winning move is not to play. This rule applies to any expansion or contraction of essential human delusional behaviour.
Fiazi wrote:
I knew every US state before I was 21. I know an Aussie girl who isn't that smart, failed university, who also recounted them all to me once, and hadn't even been there at that stage.
A 65-year-old American guy I shared a large house with among others in the US had to buy a map of the world to know where Australia was, possibly the most easily identifiable single island nation on the globe.
For some people, geographic/political knowledge means the very essence of existence or life or death itself. Strategically placed countries like Belarus for example, wedged between Europe's greatest powers and the road to Moscow.Geographical and political knowledge will not get you to enlightenment but it may prevent you from being duped.
I knew every US state before I was 21. I know an Aussie girl who isn't that smart, failed university, who also recounted them all to me once, and hadn't even been there at that stage.
A 65-year-old American guy I shared a large house with among others in the US had to buy a map of the world to know where Australia was, possibly the most easily identifiable single island nation on the globe.
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MKFaizi
Loco wrote:
But, I mean, Australia? That's a no brainer.
My father went to Australia during the second world war. He thought about returning there to live but married and had children instead. My next door neighbor has been to Australia and New Zealand. He is dyslexic and some people might consider him "slow." But he can find Australia on a map.
Faizi
That is so pathetic. I definitely cannot say that I am a geographical whiz -- I get the newer countries split off from the Soviet Union mixed up. I am pretty good on Europe and South America. Good on the Middle East. Much of Asia.A 65-year-old American guy I shared a large house with among others in the US had to buy a map of the world to know where Australia was, possibly the most easily identifiable single island nation on the globe.
But, I mean, Australia? That's a no brainer.
My father went to Australia during the second world war. He thought about returning there to live but married and had children instead. My next door neighbor has been to Australia and New Zealand. He is dyslexic and some people might consider him "slow." But he can find Australia on a map.
Faizi
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MKFaizi
PS -- I can name every state from a blank map. I pretty well know all of Australia's states (provinces -- whatever) and Canada. I am well aware of the regions of Pakistan and much of India and Bangladesh. I used to know the Middle East very well -- picking out the separate countries from a blank map.I think I still do.
Well, it is not important to be a geographical guru but I do think it is practical to know that Iraq is not off the US coast -- like Cuba.
Faizi
Well, it is not important to be a geographical guru but I do think it is practical to know that Iraq is not off the US coast -- like Cuba.
Faizi
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MKFaizi
PS -- I can name every state from a blank map. I pretty well know all of Australia's states (provinces -- whatever) and Canada. I am well aware of the regions of Pakistan and much of India and Bangladesh. I used to know the Middle East very well -- picking out the separate countries from a blank map.I think I still do.
Well, it is not important to be a geographical guru but I do think it is practical to know that Iraq is not off the US coast -- like Cuba.
Faizi
Well, it is not important to be a geographical guru but I do think it is practical to know that Iraq is not off the US coast -- like Cuba.
Faizi
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MKFaizi
Prince wrote:
Are you American? If so, it is important for you to take some interest in the policies of our government and its actions. In case you have not noticed, Bush Baby has fucked things up big time.
I seriously doubt that there will ever be an enlightened president of the US or any other country. However, there is a difference between having a reasonably intelligent political leader and a total ass. I will vote for a reasonably intelligent person rather than a total ass. I voted for Kerry in 2004, thank God. Clinton was a reasonably intelligent president -- not the best but not nearly as insane and deluded as we have now. Even Reagan and Bush Daddy were better presidents than Bush Baby. Nixon was a better president.
I am not stupid and I am not about to think that a politician can make things better. I simply do not want them to make things worse. Bush has made things considerably worse than when he took office.
You are deluded if you think that failing to take a side against Bushism -- the war in Iraq; rampant unchecked capitalism/corporate favor -- is the only right thing to do; not playing. I don't play politics either. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was no such thing as politics and government?
But government is a reality. Like it or not, government effects our lives. Even the enlightened sages in Australia are effected by government. Let the wrong conservative get in and they could lose the dole.
My dole is not effected by government. I will always be on the low rungs of the scraped over middle class in what is becoming a third world country.
When I vote, I do not vote self interest. I do not vote religion. I vote for intelligence. I vote for an intelligent understanding of the rest of the world.
If you are American especially this is a major issue.
Faizi
I reckon. That is, I reckon I can understand why you would say such a thing but, then, I also wonder about your awareness of any given circumstances.As long as you take a side, any side, you are being duped. The only winning move is not to play. This rule applies to any expansion or contraction of essential human delusional behaviour.
Are you American? If so, it is important for you to take some interest in the policies of our government and its actions. In case you have not noticed, Bush Baby has fucked things up big time.
I seriously doubt that there will ever be an enlightened president of the US or any other country. However, there is a difference between having a reasonably intelligent political leader and a total ass. I will vote for a reasonably intelligent person rather than a total ass. I voted for Kerry in 2004, thank God. Clinton was a reasonably intelligent president -- not the best but not nearly as insane and deluded as we have now. Even Reagan and Bush Daddy were better presidents than Bush Baby. Nixon was a better president.
I am not stupid and I am not about to think that a politician can make things better. I simply do not want them to make things worse. Bush has made things considerably worse than when he took office.
You are deluded if you think that failing to take a side against Bushism -- the war in Iraq; rampant unchecked capitalism/corporate favor -- is the only right thing to do; not playing. I don't play politics either. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was no such thing as politics and government?
But government is a reality. Like it or not, government effects our lives. Even the enlightened sages in Australia are effected by government. Let the wrong conservative get in and they could lose the dole.
My dole is not effected by government. I will always be on the low rungs of the scraped over middle class in what is becoming a third world country.
When I vote, I do not vote self interest. I do not vote religion. I vote for intelligence. I vote for an intelligent understanding of the rest of the world.
If you are American especially this is a major issue.
Faizi
From your perspective (as an individual, living in America), That's all you seem to go on, correct? You feel like you are under siege constantly.MKFaizi wrote:I am not stupid and I am not about to think that a politician can make things better. I simply do not want them to make things worse. Bush has made things considerably worse than when he took office.
You only need to employ a rational, objective viewpoint of things to understand that what seems to be better or worse is only taking place within a bubble of delusion.
Government is a reality, sure, but no more or less a reality than any other manifestation of reality, like Britney Spears or a microbe on the wall of a vagina. They all have the same relevance and worth, or non-worth, they are something, but essentially nothing in the absolute. It all cancels out.But government is a reality. Like it or not, government effects our lives. Even the enlightened sages in Australia are effected by government. Let the wrong conservative get in and they could lose the dole.
It's a major issue for you now, because you are more aware of how insular the culture you reside in has been.If you are American especially this is a major issue.
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MKFaizi
No, I do not feel under siege constantly. I have been well acquainted with other cultures. I lived in Pakistani culture for several years. I am very well aware of how the world views the US. Yada yada yada.That's all you seem to go on, correct? You feel like you are under siege constantly.
I am not interested in your nonsense.
Faizi
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suergaz
prince:
Essentially nothing in the absolute? Are you religious or diseased?Government is a reality, sure, but no more or less a reality than any other manifestation of reality, like Britney Spears or a microbe on the wall of a vagina. They all have the same relevance and worth, or non-worth, they are something, but essentially nothing in the absolute. It all cancels out.
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MKFaizi
Prince wrote:
If you are convinced that I am a troll -- I never write to other forums -- why do you come down here to the worldly level where I dwell?
This forum is already in the pits where it belongs. My presence does nothing to drive it further down. It is driven by hate.
Faizi
Your pomposity grates, to say the least, correct? What cultures beside your own have you experienced? Any?From your perspective (as an individual, living in America), That's all you seem to go on, correct?
If you are convinced that I am a troll -- I never write to other forums -- why do you come down here to the worldly level where I dwell?
This forum is already in the pits where it belongs. My presence does nothing to drive it further down. It is driven by hate.
Faizi
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suergaz
Are you retarted or mentally deficient?suergaz wrote:prince:Essentially nothing in the absolute? Are you religious or diseased?Government is a reality, sure, but no more or less a reality than any other manifestation of reality, like Britney Spears or a microbe on the wall of a vagina. They all have the same relevance and worth, or non-worth, they are something, but essentially nothing in the absolute. It all cancels out.
Essential - of essence. In the broader scheme, nothing is essential, and only exists in relation to its counterpart. In the absolute, all and nothing is essential being co-. What part of this do you not understand?
I wasn't being pompous in any way, I meant your as in you Faizi, the individual.MKFaizi wrote:Prince wrote:
Your pomposity grates, to say the least, correct? What cultures beside your own have you experienced? Any?From your perspective (as an individual, living in America), That's all you seem to go on, correct?
Faizi
As for cultures, well, I am familiar with plenty, but it doesnt mean anything in relation to genius. One stretch of dirt is much like another, people are the same anywhere. Only the surface is different. Culture is a fetishised veneer.