Tomas
Some other freakshow said sandman and I are the same character
Hsandman
Auch! You will be ok though, right? :-)
Tomas
“llinois shooter was treated with psych meds prior to shooting rampageâ€
Elizabeth
Did it occur to you that people who need to be put on psyc meds might be a bit unstable? On top of that, not only do psyc meds tend to take awhile (like up to 3 months) before they reach their peak effect, the first med they are put on might not work. I knew one person
Unidan
Also, how do people not notice the critical fact that he *stopped* the meds before the rampage?
Nah...... that would make too much sense.
Hsandman
The old “Egg and the chicken problemâ€. Right?
Unidan
Gee, here's an idea - maybe he stopped his meds, went nuts because of it, and started shooting.
Hsandman.. What a lovely idea
…Let’s see What kind of medicine makes you go nuts if you stop using it? Something that you miss so much that it drives you crazy?
What kind of “meds†are you talking about Unidan? Name some?
This latest shooting by 27-year-old Stephen Kazmierczak shares the same three factors. Stephen was considered a "normal, undistressed person," according to press reports. He was considered "an outstanding student" and even received a Dean's Award for outstanding work in sociology.
So what happened to Stephen's brain that caused him to snap and open fire on students in a college classroom?
Psychiatric medications, of course, are well known to cause extremely violent thoughts and behavior in young males.
." What these headlines fail to communicate is the fact that psychiatric drugs cause long-term disruptions in the brain which lead to a strong dissociation with reality. These young, male shooters hardly even know they're in the real world anymore.
They no longer see their fellow classmates as human beings, but rather as lifeless objects to be used for target practice. For those people taking psychiatric medications, there's even a strong dissociation with one's own life, as evidenced by the repeated willingness of these shooters to ultimately turn their guns on themselves.
Modern psychiatric medicine is in the business of taking people who feel depressed and chemically lobotomizing their brains so they feel nothing. Once they feel nothing, there's nothing stopping them from unloading on fellow human beings with firearms. They no longer feel empathy or compassion. Nothing matters anymore. This is strongly characteristic of the well-documented side effects of psychiatric medications.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Illinois shooter's history of taking psychiatric medications was the primary cause of his violent behavior. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if every single shooter in recent memory was treated with psych meds, and if those same psych meds are well known to cause violent thoughts and suicidal behavior, it's fairly obvious that the chemicals are the most likely cause of the behavioral problems. It's also worth noting that before children were prescribed such medications in America, school shootings were virtually unheard of. It was only after psychiatric medicine started targeting young people with mind-altering medications that we witnessed this explosion in violence.
Hsandman
I thought MK-Ultra found that lsd did not make people kill people?
They said so themselves. But then again… they did stop the experiments right? They said they did. :-S
What these headlines fail to communicate is the fact that psychiatric drugs cause long-term disruptions in the brain which lead to a strong dissociation with reality. These young, male shooters hardly even know they're in the real world anymore. They no longer see their fellow classmates as human beings, but rather as lifeless objects to be used for target practice. For those people taking psychiatric medications, there's even a strong dissociation with one's own life, as evidenced by the repeated willingness of these shooters to ultimately turn their guns on themselves.
Hsandman
I wonder if they do small group placebo tests on the medicine that has passed the trial by
FDA
http://www.fda.gov/cder/
Quoting from above site:
Modernizing the medical product development sciences will create new opportunities to improve product safety by strengthening our postmarketing surveillance of adverse events and employing new fields of science (genomics, proteomics, and related disciplines, as well as bioinformatics) to improve scientific understanding and prevention of safety problems. The agency has entered into a number of partnerships to develop tools that will enhance our efforts in improving drug safety.
Over the past two years, the Board has conducted timely and comprehensive evaluations of drug safety concerns and assisted FDA in ensuring that safe and effective drugs are available for patients by:
In March 2005, FDA issued three final guidance documents to help develop ways and improve methods to assess and monitor the risks associated with drugs and biological products in clinical development and general use.
Conducting nine meetings (5 in 2005, 4 in 2006) to discuss various drug safety issues including actions on the Fentanyl Transdermal Patch and Palladone, as well as discussion of issues related to the safe use of opioids in complex drug delivery systems such as extended release products.
Several DSB meetings have focused on a discussion of the factors when deciding whether to notify the public about an important emerging drug safety concern.
In conjunction with the DSB, the FDA has launched an effort to establish an ongoing evaluation program for risk communication efforts. The agency is in the process of soliciting feedback from physicians, pharmacists and consumers to help define a clear approach moving forward.
Development of Electronic Health Information Architecture
FDA is working to develop data standards and processes that will lead to more efficient and timely sharing of important drug safety information.
Recently revised regulations require drug makers to submit to FDA prescribing and product information (i.e., the package insert or label) in a structured product labeling (SPL) format. (Like Barcode?)
Using embedded computer tags, the prescribing and product information in the SPL format can be electronically managed,
allowing a user to search for specific information on a drug label including product names, indications, dosage and administration, warnings, description of drug product, active and inactive ingredients.
With this information, physicians will be able to quickly search and access specific information they need before prescribing a treatment, resulting in fewer prescribing errors and better informed decision making.
Hsandman
Slipstreeming :-S
Hsandman
Guess no. RFID. Hope it works out for them though. (With the new regulation etc. :-}| )
Unidian, did you actually read the article?
Tomas
The article deals with the Big Pharma getting children (not adults) on this stuff.
Seems 10-20% of my employees have nothing better to do than pop pills at the water cooler.
Another 10-20% split for their martini power lunch - Then for happy hour trolling for a boy/girl friend.
Article continues..
All the way from Columbine on up to the present were zombie boys numbed out on SSRI's...
Tet me finish this story with yet another prediction: You will never see a shooting rampage conducted by a raw foods advocate who practices green living, who eats no animal products, who uses no drugs and who takes no pharmaceuticals. Those people are the most emotionally balanced, compassionate and healthy individuals you'll ever find. The chances of a green living person ever "snapping" and going on a shooting rampage are zero. Search all the news archives you want: You'll never find a single case of someone on a plant-based diet with no chemicals in their bodies going off and killing people.
HSandman
Wonder where they get the idea to shoot up the schools? Didn’t the aphorism “Going Postal†refer to Shooting up the Post office?
Unidian
"if every single shooter in recent memory was treated with psych meds, and if those same psych meds are well known to cause violent thoughts and suicidal behavior"
Hsandman
There are always exceptions I guess.
The FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms, and FEMA all got involved. This federal involvement, very quickly on the scene, is common to most of these random-rage mass-slaying stories.
Another commonality is that these shooters are almost ALWAYS under some kind of psychiatric care or will have been mentally ‘treated’ at some point. Despite this, their shrinks are NEVER interviewed, even though they are best placed to provide a plausible motive, which ALWAYS remains a mystery in any case. In cases where the shooter is captured alive, even they can’t explain what happened:
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Wayne Lo, 18, Simon’s Rock College, Great Barrington, Massachusetts, 12-16-92; 2 dead, 4 wounded
– “At the time I thought I did the right thing,†he said recently. “But as I look back at it over time, more and more it doesn’t make sense to me. And more and more I ask myself, Why? Why did I do it? I mean, Why?â€
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Barry Loukaitus, 14, Moses Lake, WA, Frontier Jr H.S., 2-2-96, 3 dead, 1 wounded
“There are things in life we’re never going to understand, and this case is one of those…â€â€“His Attorney
“Barry never articulated a reason why he did what he did.†–John Knodel, Grant County prosecutor who handled the case.
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Jillian Robbins, 19, Penn State U, State College, PA, 9-17-96, 1 dead, 1 wounded
–when she was arrested, she answered repeatedly, “I don’t know.†when asked why she brought school violence back to PSU.
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Luke Woodham, 16, and Grant Boyette, 19, Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., 10-1-97 2 dead, 7 wounded
…(I) fought with myself because I didn’t want to do any of it.â€
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Michael Carneal, Paducah, KY, Heath H.S., 12-1-97, 3 dead, 5 wounded
Carneal’s home room teacher reported that Carneal did not seem to recognize what he had done.â€
–When ask why he did it, he said he didn’t know.
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Mitchel Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, Jonesboro, AS, Westside Middle School, 3-24-98, 5 dead
–â€Since that day, when the boys have been asked the same question(why did they shoot), they appeared not to be able to give an answer.†Johnson: “I really thought that no one would actually be hurt.â€
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Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, 4-24-98 Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded
–â€Why did he do it? Andrew doesn’t know, …saying he had no reason of kill the teacher.†“…no one…that evening could recall anything that might explain what happened. Andrew himself has no explanation.â€
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Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 5-22-98, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded
–In police interview he repeated “over and over†that “I had no choice.â€
Q: Why did you go to school and start shooting people?
A: I had to. I had no other choice. I couldn’t do anything else.
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Todd Cameron Smith, Taber, Alberta 4-27-99 W.R. Myers HS, 1 dead, 1 wounded
In a signed police statement, the boy later said: “I have no particular reason for shooting the boys that I did. I don’t know who any of them were.â€
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T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, 5-20-99 Heritage High, 6 wounded-
–Upon handing the gun over(a teacher had convinced T.J. not to kill himself–the barrel was in his mouth)he started crying hysterically and said repeatedly “I don’t know why I did this.â€
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Seth Trickey, 13, Fort Gibson, OK, 12-6-99, 4 wounded
–â€He said ‘I don’t know’ when asked why he did it.â€
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Charles ‘Andy’ Williams, Santana HS, March 2001, San Diego County (2 dead, 13 wounded)
Williams was interrogated by detectives for about an hour after his arrest, and while prosecutor Anton declined to detail what he said, she indicated the statements may not explain why he opened fire.
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10-9-06 Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO
A 13-year-old student walked into the east side of Memorial Middle School, shooting wth a rifle…. (boy’s attorney Chuck)Lonardo said the boy’s motives and intentions remain unclear even to him after sitting in on juvenile authorities’ interview of the boy after the shooting. “That’s just it,†Lonardo said. “We still don’t know.
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2-12-07 Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded
Salt Lake City police have finished their exhaustive investigation into the shooting rampage at Trolley Square, finding no real motive for 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic’s killing spree. “I think it may have died with him,†Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said in an interview Sunday with the Deseret Morning News.
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**btw, the “MK†in MK-Ultra is sought to stand for “Mind Kontrol†or, more likely, “Mind-controlled Killerâ€
