The Problem with Republicans

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The Problem with Republicans

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I know its a hot potato but here goes

After many interesting conversations with Republican friends, I've come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with the Republican mindset.

It seems to me that when discussing topics of importance Republicans compartmentalize on a subject and ignore any evidence to the contrary of their view. they cannot accept any view that conflicts with their own, there is no search for truth, there is just being right that matters, even if they're wrong, they cannot take "no" for an answer. This leads me to the following observations.

Whenever a president is republican, we're at war spending money like there's no tomorrow, lowering taxes at the same time, while dramatically increasing the national debt, in other words it seems republicans attract and cater to in Freudian terms people who's ego is dominated by the ID.

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm < Government spending chart
"The id is responsible for our basic drives such as food, sex, and aggressive impulses. It is amoral and egocentric, ruled by the pleasure–pain principle; it is without a sense of time, completely illogical, primarily sexual, infantile in its emotional development, and will not take "no" for an answer. "
When a president is a Democrat the government is busy raising the taxes to pay the bills left by the republicans, making huge efforts internationally through peace processes to smooth out the wrinkles left by the last republican "war" in other words it seems Democrats attract and cater to in Freudian terms people who's ego is dominated by the superego.
"The Super-ego comprises that organized part of the personality structure, mainly but not entirely unconscious, that includes the individual's ego ideals, spiritual goals, and the psychic agency (commonly called 'conscience') that criticizes and prohibits his or her drives, fantasies, feelings, and actions.The super-ego tends to stand in opposition to the desires of the id because of their conflicting objectives
In other words it seems to me Republican's live for the moment, thinking about things in terms of the effect it will have on themselves and no one else, while Democrats seem to think ahead and consider the effects on everyone not just themselves.

Here I cite what I consider some examples, however dont get too side tracked from the above, just to argue about the validity of the examples below.
Its what I stated above that I'm forcused on.

Creationist
Here a pro creationist republican will disavow anything that is not dogma, even if it flies in the face of reason, they will state as a true believer that the bible says the world is 5000 years old, therefore it is.

Socialism
Here republicans use the term equating it with almost pure evil, despite the fact that most of the USA's social problems need socialistic programs to fix them. health care education, to most republicans it seems socialism in their mind is equal to communism, and the discussion ends there, don't try to point out the difference between the two. What's more universal health care is seen as wrong because it means paying for someone else's health problems.

To a republican it seems Democrats are socialist that just want to raise taxes, try to explain that every democratic government since WW2 has always entered office after a republican spending spree and it falls on deaf ears, even with evidence to the contrary. That democrats pay the bills and republicans spend it doesn't seem to count for anything.
look at this chart if you don't believe this
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
This chart is evidence that the current economic crisis has one very clear source, massive overspending.
here's another interesting link the cost of the Iraq war
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

To a republican it seems questioning the government's policies in any way is equated with treason, anti patriotic etc...

To a republican it seems that the current financial crisis is due to democrat's Community Reinvestment act and subprime Mortgages, ignoring facts such as the act itself is a good idea, but that greedy banks tossed out loans to anyone, speculating on profit from foreclosure from people unable to pay their loans. But that the war in Iraq caused a wildfire recession that caused property values to collapse, making foreclosures unprofitable has nothing to do with this, its the act that is to blame, not greedy middlemen.

The list can go on and on, and the pattern is consistent. What freud difined as the ID is the driving force behind Republican idiotlogy.
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Re: The Problem with Republicans

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Remo,


Since Freud ain't around..

What do you propose (to begin) to solve this..?


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I'm just exposing the problem, I'll let you solve it, seems you know a lot about the subject :P

how bout we give them a drug that puts the superego in charge?
you can develop it, and i can sell it.
jk hehe
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-Remo-
I'm just exposing the problem,

-tomas-
You suggested in your opener that your Republican friends are clueless. I don't see a problem other than the populace as a whole is just trying to get through this life in one piece..

I see neither political party as having a clue.




-Repo-
I'll let you solve it,

-tomas-
So, you are what 23-24 years old?




-Repo-
seems you know a lot about the subject :P

-tomas-
What is the subject. In the Genius side, we have Pye (the conservative mind) not answer much, seems she is overeducated that she can't get past the simplistic Nietzsche.. And, she uses quotes from some guy who translated Nietzsche from a dialect of French. (i had one year of French in high school).

You got another broad (Leyla) who is big into Marx et.al




-Repo-
how bout we give them a drug that puts the superego in charge?

-tomas-
You musta grown up with your parents listening to Huey Lewis' "I want a new drug"?




-Repo-
you can develop it, and i can sell it.
jk hehe

-tomas-
You are rapidly drifting off-topic (borderline lazy)


PS - I suggest you get a job.



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lol you were never on topic to begin with, whats the matter Tomas? Cant take a little joke? Might want to look into some anger management... you sure your not republican?

Btw its a discussion topic, not a find a solution topic, so instead of having imaginary conversations between you and me, why don't you contribute an original thought or two.
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I agree with your analysis, but have nothing to add. Sorry.
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Shahrazad wrote:I agree with your analysis, but have nothing to add. Sorry.
Jezuz, Shah, you actually clicked on the three links and read all that shit? Graph and charts too?

Most people would agree with it because most Republicans are .. idiots.

It's the undeclared wars that are sheltered from public view and remain classified.


Torrijos plane was shot down... you know by who!

PS - I don't believe for a second Nemo read all that..


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Tomas,
Jezuz, Shah, you actually clicked on the three links and read all that shit? Graph and charts too?
I hardly ever click on links, but I did read everything he posted here.

Most people would agree with it because most Republicans are .. idiots.
Yes, but most people don't agree they are idiots themselves.

Torrijos plane was shot down... you know by who!
Yes, and what good has it done me?
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your right Tomas, you skim read so everyone obviously does too... don't you find you tend to miss details when you do that?
btw it's Remo :P
(just a detail)
Torrijos' death generated charges and speculation that he was the victim of an assassination plot. For instance, in pre-trial hearings in Miami in May 1991, Manuel Noriega's attorney, Frank Rubino, was quoted as saying "General Noriega has in his possession documents showing attempts to assassinate General Noriega and Mr. Torrijos by agencies of the United States."[4] Those documents were not allowed as evidence in trial, because the presiding judge agreed with the U.S. government's claim that their public mention would violate the Classified Information Procedures Act. More recently, former businessman John Perkins alleges in his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, that Torrijos was assassinated by American interests, who had a bomb planted aboard his aircraft (by CIA organized operatives).[5] The alleged motive is that some American business leaders and politicians strongly opposed the negotiations between Torrijos and a group of Japanese businessmen led by Shigeo Nagano, who were promoting the idea of a new, larger, sea-level canal for Panama. Manuel Noriega, in America's Prisoner, claims that these negotiations had evoked an extremely unfavorable response from American circles. Torrijos died shortly after the inauguration of US President Ronald Reagan, just three months after Ecuadorian president Jaime Roldós died in strikingly similar circumstances.
Corruption is part of our humanity unfortunately, if your going to blanket every political discussion with statements that equate everything with deception, you should just make a sig that says
Fuck it all
or
it's all shit
or
I know it all... and its all shit
or
we never learn

And save yourself the time (hmm i like that last one, might just keep it for myself :P)

but no,

thanks for the Torrijos reference, always good to learn something new...
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How old are you Nemo, I mean Remo?
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You are not quite old enough to remember the events Tomas mentioned.
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Never said I did, does the fact you were not born when Hitler ruled Germany, leave you clueless about Hitler?

Even though you both were old enough to remember the incident of Terrijo, its still second hand knowledge to you (unless you were involved directly (who knows maybe Tomas was... being ex-military and all:P))

You just acquired this second hand knowledge sooner than I.
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Remo,
Never said I did, does the fact you were not born when Hitler ruled Germany, leave you clueless about Hitler?
I never said you claimed you were. I'm not great at communication. I asked your age to have an idea just how much first-hand knowledge you might have about these events. I wasn't trying to imply you have no right to catch up with what you missed thanks to your youth.
Even though you both were old enough to remember the incident of Terrijo, its still second hand knowledge to you (unless you were involved directly (who knows maybe Tomas was... being ex-military and all:P))
You'll have to take my word that I was directly involved -- from the victim's side. No, this is not second hand knowledge to me, and never was. The death of Torrijos was the single most important event that has occurred in my life, after my birth.
You just acquired this second hand knowledge sooner than I.
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My apologies for presuming, sorry.
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Nothing to be sorry for -- you don't know me from Adam. You are new here.

May I suggest you read Perkins' book? It is a very easy read, and you'll learn a little more about the impact that "the interests of the United States" have on our lives, regardless of where we live.
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Do you mean Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man by john perkins?
or The Secret History of the American Empire?
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Confessions. There he talks about Torrijos and how much the latter's integrity impacted his life. One of my favorite parts: I love the narration of the Java puppeteer show. It makes me want to go there.
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Just finished them both, overall quite good, they parallel pretty much my views, but i disagree about a few key points, which ill get into once i finish digesting my thoughts.
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Cool.
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-Nemo-
your right Tomas, you skim read so everyone obviously does too... don't you find you tend to miss details when you do that?

-tomas-
No, I read fast. If I skim, I don't post a reply .. see?




-Nemo-
btw it's Remo :P
(just a detail)

-tomas-
As luck would have, you've been dubbed .. Nemo, due to your concerns of 'anger-management' suggestion .. how did you overcome yours? :-)


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Ah there ya go Tomas finally showing me you have some reasoning skills beyond vague mumbles and innudo, i know your first hand knowledge on the subject gives you a certain wisdom and authority over it, but its all lost if you don't share your insights with others, bugging you was my way of trying to get you to go more into detail or get you to buzz off.

-Tomas-
As luck would have, you've been dubbed .. Nemo, due to your concerns of 'anger-management' suggestion .. how did you overcome yours? :-)
By not letting people step on my toes... i give as good as i get, you poked at me first so i poked back. No big deal, it takes a lot more than a little verbal sparring to get under my skin. Experiencing real physical conflicts tends to turn the volume down on the verbal, I'm sure being ex military you agree, if you can stay calm with someone shooting at you or trying to beat you over the head with a chair, whats a provocative word or 2? :D

So now that we've roared and thumped our chests, are we done now? Can we be friends? :D
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Probably not, your signature is annoying...


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