Can anyone beat this?

[Sage]

Ron Paul’s stated agenda:
1. Reduce the size and power of government
2. Increase individual freedom
3. Stop preemptive wars against third world nations
Thus, reinstate the constitution and end imperialism

There is no one with more integrity, steadfast principles or a more noble cause than Ron Paul.
Who can possibly beat this?

[Shahrazad]

I myself couldn't ask for more.

I hope Paul continues gaining momentum. You never know how far he could get.

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[Carl G]

Ron Paul is a dreamboat. And anyone who believes he can get elected is dreaming.

[Tomas]

Ron Paul’s stated agenda:
1. Reduce the size and power of government
2. Increase individual freedom
3. Stop preemptive wars against third world nations
Thus, reinstate the constitution and end imperialism

There is no one with more integrity, steadfast principles or a more noble cause than Ron Paul.
Who can possibly beat this?

Well i tend to agree with you (the integrity, principle part) but he does not have a realistic chance of winning.

Right now, he is at 6% in the latest poll (Nov. 10), that ain't gonna cut. He's being shunted by the establishment press.

Kucinich's big mistake was saying that he'd seen a UFO...

Dr. Paul and that 1% can-do "chance" would unfortunately, require him to select a main-stream vice-president.

John F. Kennedy selected who?... the one that probably set him up to be knocked off :-(



ps- my sister is married to a gynecologist :-)


Tomas (the tank)
Prince of Jerusalem
16 Degree
Scottish Rite Free Mason


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[Ryan Rudolph]

Ron Paul has some good ideas, but I find that he is far too extreme in his libertarian views. It is fine that he wants to drastically reduce government spending by limiting military action, and cutting many government agencies, but the best presidents also have an agenda on policies that they plan to work on to promote change, but too much of Paul’s philosophy is merely non-intervention and stopping existing programs.

For instance: his views on the environment are naïve, and lacking deep thought or consideration of the empirical evidence. He also believes that Business alone will correct the problem without any sort of government intervention, but this has proven to barely occur if one refers to Canada and USA in the most recent past. However, the UK has successfully reduced emissions due to intervention by the government by offering financial incentives, promotion programs and the like, and the economy didn’t suffer as a result.

Paul is too anti-socialist everything; he doesn’t realize that a balance can be reached between allowing the open market to flourish with aggressive libertarian policy, but also working towards accomplishing considerable goals through the implementation of policies with a more socialist mindset in areas of great concern.

I think the perfect candidate would be a cross between Ron Paul and Hilary Clinton, as both seem to be a little too extreme in either direction. Paul seems too libertarian and Clinton seems too socialist.

However, if I had to choose between Ron Paul with a majority republican backing, or Hilary Clinton with a minority democratic backing, I’d probably go with Hilary Clinton...

Because all the republican candidates were very similar to George Bush in intelligence and outlook, they all seem quite wishy washy, except for Ron Paul, who is much deeper and consistent in position.

[Carl G]

Ryan,

I think it is stupid to write so much about a thoroughly corrupt system, as though if only a more thoughtful sane candidate would somehow 'catch fire' with the unthinking insane masses.

[Ryan Rudolph]

Carl,

A fairly sane leader can prevent a lot of tyranny and horror just by what he or she doesn’t do, and they can also push their agenda to get important things done, as seen with the carbon credit trading system in the London stock exchange, which has drastically reduced pollution and put pressure on businesses to upgrade their technologies, and put research and investment into better future methods.

Many European countries are much farther ahead of the USA in this regard because the leaders in those countries resonate more strongly with the educated intellectuals, scientists, and secular elites living there.

The religious right and big business have far too much power in American politics, but it is not as hopeless as you are suggesting Carl. Documentaries such as sicko and an inconvenient truth can help expose the injustice of certain companies/industries, which can force them to change their current way of operating. So an analysis of the situation is not stupid, it can help to shred some light on what is possible in the future of American politics.

[Carl G]

it can help to shred some light on what is possible in the future of American politics.

Might as well shred some cheese on it, for the good it will do, being that the system itself is corrupt and the masses asleep, but go ahead if it makes you feel better.

[Toban]

Ryan, I used to believe in the global warming 'consensus', but after reading up on the other side of the debate, I must say that the man made global warming theory is a fraud.

And Hillary Clinton... what the hell!? Isn't she the oligarchy's selected candidate (she attended Bilderberg '06)? Doesn't Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton ring any alarm bells? Ron Paul is scaring the shit out of the oligarchs, because he isn't following their script and is now seriously challenging the leading candidates.

[Ryan Rudolph]

Toban,

Ryan, I used to believe in the global warming 'consensus', but after reading up on the other side of the debate, I must say that the man made global warming theory is a fraud.

I studied geology, so I know some of the other sides of the debate, For instance: I know it is very possible that the earth is inevitably shifting into a hot house period from the last ice age, but I believe that human activity is drastically speeding up the process by thousands of years. It seems to me that dumping millions of tones of CO2 into the atmosphere annually must have some observable affect. Look at the holes in the ozone that humans caused by using hairspray in only a few decades, we know that human activity can have drastic affects on the way things are. And plus we have no idea how the earth will respond to going through a hot house transition in hundreds of years, as opposed to a gradual transition over thousands of years.

And Hillary Clinton... what the hell!? Isn't she the oligarchy's selected candidate (she attended Bilderberg '06)? Doesn't Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton ring any alarm bells? Ron Paul is scaring the shit out of the oligarchs, because he isn't following their script and is now seriously challenging the leading candidates.

Ron Paul is more radical in his views than Clinton, I agree. She is much more conventional in many ways, but she still stands up to the insurance and drugs companies with her universal health care proposal. If you look at the work she did in California, she is very liberal in her views, and she doesn’t always appeal to big business. A good politician to able to discriminate between people’s immediate needs and the excessive wants of big business that undermines people’s immediate needs. Moreover, Clinton seems to have an intuitive understanding of this, and so I think she could implement some good policies in certain industries to help keep human greed and ignorance in check as a means to benefit the whole.

[Tomas]

it can help to shred some light on what is possible in the future of American politics.

Might as well shred some cheese on it, for the good it will do, being that the system itself is corrupt and the masses asleep, but go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Yeah, Carl.

I don't know what planet Ryan is from but ain't planet Earth (or if he is, must be quite young to remember the Clinton White House years)... I met Mr & Mrs. Clinton, several times, beginning in 1981, and they are as shrewd a lawyers as you will find many times over.

She was employed by the Rose Law Firm (largest west of the Mississippi) and she did a lot of work to cover the BCCI scandal, related activities inre Mena, Ark dope peddling.

All the dead bodies showing up along the Whitewater river, car trunks, railroad tracks, outright shotgun blasts to the head, those Arkies don't mess around with "jim".

Her daddy was a bigwig out of Cicero County, Illinois. Not exactly a backyard cared to have been grown-up in and around :-(


Tomas (the tank)
VietNam veteran - 1971



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[Ryan Rudolph]

Tomas,

I met Mr & Mrs. Clinton, several times, beginning in 1981, and they are as shrewd a lawyers as you will find many times over.

Don’t get me wrong, they are still politicians, and highly imperfect. However, the analysis is geared towards finding the best candidate/party from the existing evils. For instance: Ron Paul would be ideal if he wasn’t back by a bunch of republicans who do not support his views. He would have a very difficult time getting anything done. He would probably get more support from the democratic side.

And yes, Hillary Clinton isn’t as radical as he is, but some of her ideas are quite good. However, the danger of having Hillary in power with a majority democratic backing is that spending would probably remain excessive, and as a result, the American economy could spiral into a recession. Basically, as long as the next president ends many of the dominant policies of the current administration, and doesn't go crazy with spending, then the US economy should rebound.

[Tomas]

Tomas,

I met Mr & Mrs. Clinton, several times, beginning in 1981, and they are as shrewd a lawyers as you will find many times over.

-ryan-
Don't get me wrong, they are still politicians, and highly imperfect.

-tomas-
A couple of Illumiati's... she is a higher witch (level 4) than Bill (level 3)




-ryan-
However, the analysis is geared towards finding the best candidate/party from the existing evils.

-tomas-
Then, it is Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich.




-ryan-
For instance: Ron Paul would be ideal if he wasn't back by a bunch of republicans who do not support his views.

-tomas-
I'm neither democratic nor republican. I WAS a political consultant for many years and i was hired to run campaigns by all the legal tricks one could muster... what differentiated me from other 'most other' consultants (kind-of-a 'campaign manager' but lurked behind the scenes) was that i kept "integrity" at the forefront. I'd met Dick Nixon several times in an earlier period, and i wasn't about to follow his yellow brick road type-of-lawyering campaign-style (dirty tricks). A brilliant strategist (and highly intelligent as Bill Clinton) - but his tactics boomeranged on him (as did Bill's).




-ryan-
He would have a very difficult time getting anything done. He would probably get more support from the democratic side.

-tomas-

No, his would appeal to a swath of both parties, the little people. This is what the 'politicians of the establishment' are fearful of.




-ryan-
And yes, Hillary Clinton isn't as radical as he is,

-tomas-
All the more reason to avoid the "mainstream" candidate!




-ryan-
but some of her ideas are quite good.

-tomas-
Ryan, what ideas?

I'm not going thru this for feel-good politics, but for these people to reduce the heavy hand of gov't in the daily lives of the "ordinary" citizens.

She's a war hawk. She first in contributions from the arms industry...




-ryan-
However, the danger of having Hillary in power with a majority democratic backing is that spending would probably remain excessive,

-tomas-
Spending -always- goes up with the elected mainstream "candidate".




-ryan-
and as a result, the American economy could spiral into a recession.

-tomas-
The economy (country per se) has been in a "recession" since the balance of payments changed from a creditor nation - to a debtor-nation a couple decades ago (i'd have to check the actual time)




-ryan-
Basically, as long as the next president ends many of the dominant policies of the current administration,

-tomas-
Ryan, they are -the same- party, democrat-republican, it's an illusion to think or believe otherwise... they are both right-wing.




-ryan-
and doesn't go crazy with spending,

-tomas-
There is so much "off budget" chicanery going on... with both parties.




-ryan-
then the US economy should rebound.

-tomas-
Rebound from what? It's been a hollowed-out economy for decades. It 70%-plus service-related...

What you're 'not understanding' is that the Canadian Loonie is more of a commodity-based backed currency (oil exports to the US, timber sales, minerals). The US is nothing more than digital money created out of this air!

John F. Kennedy began to realize this and ordered the US Treasury to have the dollar backed-up with full faith, outside the purviews of the Federal Reserve which was modeled on european-style of old money meant to preserve the wealth of the 13-strains of the "bloodline" with the phoney-money principles meant to keep the poor in their peasant-class.

Kennedy got out of the "box" but lasted but a few days and was knocked off.


Remember, just because something is written in a book, doesn't make it true, much less than an urban legend would (continue) to keep the public off-guard.



Tomas (the tank)
Prince of Jerusalem
16 Degree
Scottish Rite Free Mason


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[Ryan Rudolph]

Tomas,

What you're 'not understanding' is that the Canadian Loonie is more of a commodity-based backed currency (oil exports to the US, timber sales, minerals). The US is nothing more than digital money created out of this air!

I think you are exaggerating the weak US dollar a bit. How do you explain the fortune 500 companies, and some of the best scientific innovation in places like Silicon Valley? MIT? The USA has had and continues to have quite a bit of creativity.

She's a war hawk. She first in contributions from the arms industry...

Well, this is a problem then isn’t it? The double-edged sword here is that large profitable militarys create the conditions for large amounts of money put into technological research. Ie: atomic energy and the Internet.

Ryan, they are -the same- party, democrat-republican, it's an illusion to think or believe otherwise... they are both right-wing.

But there have been relatively more conservative presidents that have done better jobs at balancing the budget, and not over-spending.

The economy (country per se) has been in a "recession" since the balance of payments changed from a creditor nation - to a debtor-nation a couple decades ago (i'd have to check the actual time)

Perhaps there has been on a downturn spiral since that time, but it is very relative, as the country is still strong and robust economically in many ways. This is probably because some of the largest US companies are rooted in the states, but have markets extended across the globe in other growing economies.

Then, it is Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich.

You maybe right, but I haven’t read enough into Kucinich to comment, but I will.

[ZenMuadDib]

My main worry with Ron Paul is that he is so for this reducing government spending that I feel like he is the Republicans' back up plan for retaining power. I think this because of the fact that we are in so much debt and now the Republicans are trying to win over some liberals by having this guy pronounce some views that sound pretty liberal, but, I believe, would actually make things a lot worse for a lot of people.

[Tomas]

My main worry with Ron Paul is that he is so for this reducing government spending that I feel like he is the Republicans' back up plan for retaining power. I think this because of the fact that we are in so much debt and now the Republicans are trying to win over some liberals by having this guy pronounce some views that sound pretty liberal, but, I believe, would actually make things a lot worse for a lot of people.

Do you have a tax-paying job?


Tomas

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[ZenMuadDib]

My main worry with Ron Paul is that he is so for this reducing government spending that I feel like he is the Republicans' back up plan for retaining power. I think this because of the fact that we are in so much debt and now the Republicans are trying to win over some liberals by having this guy pronounce some views that sound pretty liberal, but, I believe, would actually make things a lot worse for a lot of people.

Do you have a tax-paying job?


Tomas

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Yes I do. My worry is that taxes will increase, education will get worse, and the arts will be thrown out of our schools.