What to do with Ray

Some partial backups of posts from the past (Feb, 2004)

What I should I do with our beloved Ray?

Ban him immediately..
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Leave him be - he's entertaining as hell..
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No votes
Give him one more chance to talk about philosophy..
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Report him to the RSPCA..
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No votes
Pass wind in his general direction..
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Total votes: 4

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What to do with Ray

Post by Dan Rowden » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:48 am

I thought I'd be somewhat democratic about this issue. Voting is compulsory. Failure to do so will result in being placed on Ray's Xmas card list. We know you don't want that!

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Post by unwise » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:45 am

Ray is insane. Normally that can be interesting and amusing. But in this case he is like a demon who has been cast out of a saint and then returns with a mob of like-minded demons.

The occasional post of a lunatic (and we have many here) is lovely. The complete domination of the board by a small group of lunatics is simply BORING.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:21 am

I would ban him in his current incarnation. I mean, Joe Dees was banned and Joe was not this bad. I would ban him and allow him to come back only on condition that he posted actual topics for discussion. Not what he has done lately.

I can certainly find absurdity and irony entertaining and even provocative. But this dude just types. He has a forumula that only allows for certain forms of paranoia. Satan, Masons -- the usual crap. I could even see that sort of discussion if it was open to discussion. But, as posted, it's just bullshit. Everything is bad because of the Carlisle Group or the Masons or Satan.

Dude needs to break it down. Discuss one thing at a time. If he came here and he was willing to discuss exactly what is a Mason -- his expicit experience with Masons or his experience with Satan directly -- might be interesting.

But, as it stands, he is just spouting a bill of goods. Far worse than a religious fanatic. What would happen if he slowed down and thought about what he is typing? Can he or is he just a wall?

I think this forum has been subjected to garbage big time. I would like to see all his threads removed and, if he is willing to start over in a slower, less pasted in way, I have no problem with that.

I do not see how you can have a discussion of any kind when you have to scroll down through a ton of spam just to read one little thing.

I realize that this is the "anything goes" forum but, in that spirit, it should also go that obvious spammers should either be banned or relegated to a Spammers Only Forum.

Another way to go might be for writers here to recognize spam as spam and not reply to it. In that way, the disruptive spam would be moved down quickly.

Personally, I do not care whether Ray is banned or not. But with an abundance of spam, there is no way to carry on any sort of intelligent discussion. Just too hard to wade through the crap.

So, if the spam stays, interesting discussion will fade. Eventually, there will only be spam in the form of Ray. Cool, if that is what you want. But there have been some interesting discussions down here in the pits. I think it would be a pity to let that sort of growth be overgrown with weeds.

Faizi

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Post by Tharan » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:26 am

I would ban his ass, but since I cannot figure out how to cast vote, can I still pass wind in his general direction...ah, too late. Nevermind me asking.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:35 am

Well, I can't figure out how to vote. But let me say this about that -- I would give him another chance. He does not have to discuss philosophy exactly -- just try discussing rather than spouting.

I realize he has probably been doing this for a long time. Not easy to break habits. What I would like to see from him is a simple essay entitled something like, "Masons I Have Known." No crapping on from hysterical web sites about Masonic iron clad rule -- just his own direct -- not from the internet -- interaction with a Mason or two.

I only knew one Mason in my life. An alcoholic salesman living in a lower middle class neighborhood. When he was home, I only observed him passed out on the sofa. One day, his daughter showed me his secret Mason ring and told me that her father could never talk about this secret sect.

Was he an alcoholic because he knew too much? Was raising a family of four kids in a two bedroom house a cover for something of international intrigue? I never knew what he sold. He had a white station wagon and he would usually be away from home for about a week at the most. Once home, he was continually drunk. His wife spent most of her time on the sofa, too. She had to take a lot of drugs because she had a bad back. Her eldest daughter did all the housework and the cooking by the time she was ten.

She did all the child rearing of her three siblings, too.

Is this typical of Masonic behavior?

Faizi

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:39 am

I think Nemo expressed the point well -- and I reckon he ought to know.

Regardless, I ressemble that remark.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:46 am

Nemo wrote:
he is like a demon who has been cast out of a saint and then returns with a mob of like-minded demons.
I think this expresses what I was trying to say succinctly.

Definitely a mob thing. If the dude can carve himself out of the crap -- hard to say if there is something there or not. It is up to him. Can he slow himself down and take an introspective long look at the demon shit he is spouting?

Faizi

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Post by Jamesh » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:56 am

Create a third forum called "The Nut Factory" and transfer all the posts of overly exhuberant nutters (as opposed to us laid back nutters) to that.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:12 pm

But what do you do with criminals? A former criminal is one thing but what about a criminal who is threatening someone else physically?

I cannot fully decipher the problem between Stone and Ray.

Any thought on that? Plus the 180 IQ bitch. What's with that?

Faizi

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Post by frank » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:17 pm

faizi:
I cannot fully decipher the problem between Stone and Ray.
Ray's trying to fix America.
Stone's trying to fix Ray.

They're in a fix.

frank

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Post by unwise » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:18 pm

I only knew one Mason in my life. An alcoholic salesman living in a lower middle class neighborhood. When he was home, I only observed him passed out on the sofa. One day, his daughter showed me his secret Mason ring and told me that her father could never talk about this secret sect.

Was he an alcoholic because he knew too much? Was raising a family of four kids in a two bedroom house a cover for something of international intrigue? I never knew what he sold. He had a white station wagon and he would usually be away from home for about a week at the most. Once home, he was continually drunk. His wife spent most of her time on the sofa, too. She had to take a lot of drugs because she had a bad back. Her eldest daughter did all the housework and the cooking by the time she was ten.

She did all the child rearing of her three siblings, too.

Is this typical of Masonic behavior?
haha. That's fantastic!! You're too funny.

MKFaizi - we could make beautiful music together......Do I not please you?

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Post by Chadwick Stone » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:19 pm

MKFaizi wrote:I cannot fully decipher the problem between Stone and Ray.
It's really very simple. I once asked Ray some questions about his "Christ consciousness" belief and he accused me of being a disinformation agent. Since that time I have implored him repeatedly to answer some questions about his religion and philosophy but as of yet, he hasn't. The ongoing rivalry aside, all I want from him is to answer some questions about his beliefs... of course he recently decided to issue a fatwah necessitating my death so I responded by warning him not to use any information he may find on the Internet to determine my geographic location for the purpose of paying a murderous little visit.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:55 pm

If he is a threat then I cannot imagine how or why you could care about what he thinks about anything. If I am certain that someone is about to bludgeon me, I am not going to be interested in his views on Christianity or Buddhism or Sufism or any other damn thing.

If I was really scared of Ray, damned if I would be writing to this forum where he can stalk me. He might be able to determine your geographic location or something.

Are you female? If so, go quickly to the Sabri Brothers thread and ponder "Hoodahavas Akeem." Take your life by its balls and start acting like a man.

If you are scared of Ray, why do you keep crying here where he can find you? It is kind of like a sheep crying in the open meadow so that the wolf will follow. Pure Duran Duran.

If you are threatened, take it up with the moderator.

Death threats between posters are not appropriate fodder for open discussion.

Faizi

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Post by Chadwick Stone » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:05 pm

I am no more afraid of Ray than you are. My warnings to him are for his own good. It's that simple.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:16 pm

Nemo wrote:
You're too funny.
Not meant to be humorous. Serious inquiry. The only Mason I ever knew was this bitch's alcoholic salesman father. I never could figure out what he could possibly know that must be secret.
MKFaizi - we could make beautiful music together......Do I not please you?
Take two Viagra and call me in the morning.

But seriously, folks..

A couple of years ago, I said that I liked men from a distance. At that time, I meant twenty feet. Now, it is more like twenty thousand miles.

Had my fill, thanks. Lies.

The nature of sex is false and is based on lies. Not false promises -- just bald face lies.

I think you should stick with your young women. They'll believe you. You can lie to them about how you value freedom and how you never want to marry and you can tell them your philosophical lies.

Some women -- many who are young enough to be my daughters -- don't give a shit about what you value. Took me to the age of forty eight to not give a shit about what a man thinks. But some girls are fast learners.

Stick with the young slow ones. They will do you justice -- begging and pining away.

I was slow but once I learned I learned completely.

I am completely in love with independence.

Goodbye Earl.

Faizi

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Post by unwise » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:24 pm

I am not easily put off by your coy remarks and playing hard to get. I will tickle you with my lyrical feathers.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:33 pm

That is a typical middle age male fantasy. Stick with your young girls. I am not interested in the least. Not coy or hard to get.

Simply not interested in you or any other man. Been there done that enough, thanks.

I make my own money. I have my own house. I take myself out to dinner and a movie.

I love the smell of -- come to think of it -- napalm in the morning -- or any other time of day.

Beats hell out of dick.

Faizi

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Post by Tharan » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:34 pm

Homeboy ain't got no young girlz, except on the Net.

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ANYBODY WANT TO SEE AN EXPOSED GOVERNMENT DISINFORMATION AGE

Post by raykarczewski » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:51 pm

ANYBODY WANT TO SEE AN EXPOSED GOVERNMENT DISINFORMATION AGENT FREAKING OUT?

"Chadwick Stone©" <chad_stone@127.0.0.01

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:36:52 GMT

cs: > X-No-Archive: YES

Raymond Karczewski [arkent3@earthlink.net] has entered into testimony
44a30b9c.10105437@news.west.earthlink.net

cs: > What matter? The kicking of your virtual ass like a football?
<snicker> As I have repeatedly apprised you, my activities are
sovereign and quite beyond your ability to prevent.

cs: >>> That unilateral wet dream of yours will never happen, convict. You are literally incapable of grasping the sheer scope and magnitude of the power and influence I wield over you, are you?

cs: >>> You have learned of these consequences first hand, have you not, convict? You nearly killed your wife through neglect due to your
pathological and compensatory need to turn a mole hill of a traffic
ticket into a Mount Everest of felony crime sprees.

rk; >> Feeling the heat, are you?

cs: > Not nearly so much as you apparently feel. What is this sociopathic need you suffer that drives you to propagate my words to so many venues?

rk: To expose your lying butt to the entire world, if possible.

cs: >>> Perhaps you need to justify your past actions which are a result of guilt you feel or pent up inadequacies. Whatever your reasons, you are succeeding only in embarrassing yourself.

rk: Watch out for the Mirror of Truth!!!

cs: >>> Why? I don't run from bullies, convict, that is why I no
longer need a sockpuppet...

rk: You, the coward who calls himself chadwick stone don't run from bullies, and that is why you no longer need a sockpuppet. Do you even realize the damning statement you have made about yourself?

cs: > Can you make the same claim, "Rudolph" aka teh self professed reincarnation of Jesus?

rk: As I said, that fiction arose from your crowd. From there they went on to issuing Internet FORGERIES in my name.

cs: > You really should, that would make a "cutesy" addition to the
documentary that will be produced should you foolishly bumble across my property line.

rk: Is that "bogey man" inserting itself into your fearful consciousness again? You seem obsessed with my coming to you.
The simple Truth is, you're just a bigmouthed pipsqueak who will get his by his own doing.

rk: >>> Face it, stone, you're not in kansas any more.

cs: > You won't be in Kansas should you show up at my doorstep, convict.

rk: There you go again. Such is the nature of uncontrollable obsession, is it not?

cs: > btw, I will reiterate and expand upon the caveat that I issued to you on the "Worldly Matters" forum. You can find me if you elect to dumpster dive for me and follow the correct links; *HOWEVER*; if you come to my home you *WILL* be reincarcerated. Stalking, harassment, and criminal trespass are not traffic violations, convict. I am friends with the local prosecutor and guarantee that you will *NOT* be thrown out of jail if you starve yourself. The sordid details of your criminal history will be supplied to the prosecutor's office as well as the portions of your Internet posting history where you make threats and boast of being a felon in possession of firearms. You will remain incarcerated during the ensuing trial and fed intravenously if necessary. Once convicted and sentenced you will be transferred to a penitentiary where you will serve your full term. Things here will not be easy like they are there, convict, that is a promise you can take to the bank.

cs: > I *WANT* for you to track me down, convict, just so you will learn what it is like to experience the full weight of Government/Media. k0oKs like you are generally ineducable, but this is one lesson that you will learn should you find the balls to show up here.

cs: > Not to chubby widdle bullies like you. Come see me, convict.
I would *LOVE* to see you in court, and rest assured, the rest of
afa-b & auk will as well because I will market videos of you cross
examining yourself on the witless stand. I'll get to test my skills
as a film producer as the documentary will transition between your
court appearances, narrations of your Usenet k0oKery, and interviews
with your stalking victims, Usenet personalities who are familiar with
you, and mental health professionals who will speculate over and
debate your mental status. Hell, I might even decide to give free
copies away in a Usenet lottery.

rk: >> Anyone pick up on stone's admission of his Government and Media ties, yet? Like none other, stone has made my case for a GOVERNMENT HOUSECLEANING from top to bottom, starting with a renewal of my request for the investigation lodged with the FBI on Nov. 2, 1997. http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... i?RayNita1 Only this time, let it be conducted by THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

cs: > I am beyond investigation by any arm of your congress, convict. What part of "sovereign" don't you understand?

rk: Big difference when it comes to Sovereignty - I DID IT! You merely talk about it, but don't have a clue about how to go about it. Like any pathological adult suffering from arrested development, like a precocious child, you've got all the words, but you don't know what they mean.

rk: To the People of America, I say that you have NO BETTER CHANCE to
take back your country without engaging yourselves in a bloody
revolution, than dealing with the issues of my case -- JURISDICTION,
SOVEREIGNTY, ACTUAL CONTROL OVER PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND REMOVAL OF THE
MIND CONTROL MACHINERY NOW IN PLACE.

cs: > Permission denied, convict. Does the metaphor of wishing into one hand and shitting into the other have any meaning to you in light of your expressed desire for a government investigation of what you allege to be government sanctioned activities?

rk: I have done my part. WHAT THE HELL DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU TO DO
YOURS?

cs: > No one is going to do anything about me or any other afa-b or auk poaster who decides to use you as their personal football, convict. You may as well shut up now and try to minimize the damage to your tattered reputation... such that it is.

rk: Do you mean the reputation that you and your disinformation agent cohorts have attempted to destroy for the last ten year -- AND FAILED?!!

rk: Pay particular attention to the remainder of this article. To the yahoo who calls himself chadwick stone, your MOMENT OF TRUTH is at hand.


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Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:19 pm
MKFaizi wrote:
mkf: I cannot fully decipher the problem between Stone and Ray.

cs: > It's really very simple. I once asked Ray some questions about his "Christ consciousness" belief and he accused me of being a disinformation agent. Since that time I have implored him repeatedly to answer some questions about his religion and philosophy but as of yet, he hasn't. The ongoing rivalry aside, all I want from him is to answer some questions about his beliefs... of course he recently decided to issue a fatwah necessitating my death so I responded by warning him not to use any information he may find on the Internet to determine my geographic location for the purpose of paying a murderous little visit.

rk: Have you not solved the conundrum of which came first, the chicken or the egg? stone stalking Ray or Ray stalking stone? You have nothing of interest or intelligence to say. I merely mirror your unrelenting obsession with me.

rk: Fatwah?? Fatwah? Death Threat? Death Threat? Here are your own words chadwick stone: "Remember that as you lay bleeding to death in the street after a *REAL* police officer with a sniper rifle takes you down, convict. It just might be me calling in the "green light" on that widdle egress"

rk: I have just shown you what a death threat looks like. I have shown you your death threat toward me, now you show me and the rest of the world any evidence of my purported death threat toward you.

rk: You claim to be miffed because years ago, I did not answer a question of yours and nailed your butt as a disinformation agent. There are hundreds of posts since, along with your own admissions that you are part of such government agency. It would seem that I was correct then, as I am correct now.

rk: It also would seem that OBSESSION and PROJECTION are two rather destructive, pathological traits that seem to overwhelm your fragmented, schizoid personality. Proof of such split personality can be easily seen by your posts to the newsgroups and your goody goody, little rule-playing boy to the Genius Forum.

rk: The question remains -- Do you fear me? Indeed you do! You display it in a multitude of ways which only exposes your arrested development as a human being stuck at a very young age of a compensatory big mouthed "SISSIE."

rk: You see, men, real men, grow up. They eventually put away the things of childhood and grow out of the awkward juvenile and childish stage of "MY DADDY CAN BEAT UP YOUR DADDY" or "MY BROTHER CAN BEAT UP YOUR BROTHER." You show in this post that you have not. As far as I am concerned, you can stick your prosecutor and cop big brothers, and your equally impotent pack-o-jackals cohorts in your ear.

rk: Somehow, somewhere you fell off the wall and all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put the coward who calls himself chadwick stone, back together again."

Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:05 pm

cs: > I am no more afraid of Ray than you are. My warnings to him are for his own good. It's that simple.

rk: Since I have NEVER SAID I am coming after you (show the threat which causes you such fear.), you will see it doesn't exist. The fear you are experiencing comes from your own damaged psyche which is shocked by the words of a simple man of Truth. Being the childish poopsqueak you are, you have formed a masochistic attachment and stalk this simple man of Truth everywhere he goes just to heap punishment upon yourself. Hell, isn't it?

rk: Fatwah indeed!!

rk: Here it comes again stone. I've shown you your death threat toward me, its now your turn to show me my alleged death threat toward you.
.
cs: > Remember that as you lay bleeding to death in the street after a *REAL* police officer with a sniper rifle takes you down, convict. It just might be me calling in the "green light" on that widdle egress.

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Post by Chadwick Stone » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:56 pm

Ray, you have been instructed many times; I followed the froggeries here, just as you did.

Regarding your violent threats, you have been beating your chest, boasting that you have guns for some time now. The other day you said that I needed to be killed and I showed where you have been searching for information about me on google. It doesn't take a genius to see the threat present in such statements and facts when taken collectively.

You really need to get some rest, you have taken selective excerpts from various venues and sewn them together in such a messy manner as to render your post incoherent and unreadable.

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Post by Tomas » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:16 pm

I agree with the dude who said to start the sub-forum, The "Nut Factory".

My hunch is they are all a bunch of freakshow artists, hellbent on ruining this fine, "laidback" listserve.



Should Dan not be open to a psyops adventure with Nut Factory ... kick these fuckers back to the Garden and let Satan deal with them.


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Post by Nick » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:47 pm

It's disapointing to have to ban somebody who does have some good insight on the relationship between the American people and their government, amongst other things. But when he can only preach his ideals and not have the respect to engage in some simple dialogue it starts to get real old, real quick. I must admit that most of Ray's posts could have been comprised of one thread where him and Stone can go back and forth all they want. Instead of all the needless clutter he has accumulated in the worldly matters forum.

The thing that is most bothersome is the fact that Ray and Stone have turned this forum into their own personal playground to kick dirt at eachother. Too bad neither of them can be the bigger man and ignore the other. I feel they have both disrespected this forum and all it's members with their selfish display they have put on.

It does seem as though Stone followed Ray here in an attempt to continue his personal fued with him, which is most disrespectful. I'm sure he could have continued his fued with Ray on usenet, or wherever they came from, just fine. I can't help but wonder if Ray's potential to be a contributing member to this forum could have been fulfilled if it weren't for Stone's obvious personal agenda with him.

With that said I think we should give Ray one more chance to show he can be a healthy contributor to this forum. Speaking to us directly rather than through re-posting conversations over and over in needless multiple threads. Along with ignoring Stone's comments if it is only going to turn this forum into their personal playground to take shots at eachother.

Ray, myself and others have tried to engage in conversation with you, but you have alienated yourself with all the extra bullshit along with mocking Dan's fair and flexable administration of this forum. If these simple requests can't be done then Dan should do as he pleases with you. I think it's obvious how he wants to handle the situation by now. The ball's in your court Ray...

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Post by Chadwick Stone » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:23 pm

I can't help but wonder if Ray's potential to be a contributing member to this forum could have been fulfilled if it weren't for Stone's obvious personal agenda with him.
Apparently, you seem to feel that I wield substantial control over Ray so I tell you what: For the time being I will allow Ray the opportunity to show his mettle here without the influence of "my agenda."

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Post by Leyla Shen » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:52 pm

Sing with him…

[pumps up the volume, sings out loud whilst jiggin’ a rasta two-step]

You a-go tired f’see mi face
Can' get me out of the race
Oh man, you said I'm in your place
And then you draw bad card
A-make ya draw bad card
And then you draw bad card.

Propaganda spreadin’ over my name
Say you wanna bring another life to shame
Oh man, you just a-playin’ a game
And then you draw bad card…

I want to disturb my neighbour
'Cause I'm feelin' so right
I want to turn up my disco
Blow them to full watts tonight, ‘ey
In a rub-a-dub style
In a rub-a-dub style…

'Cause we guardin’ the palace so majestic
Guardin’ the palace so realistic…

Dem a-go tired f’see we face…

The way ya make wrong moves, uh
The way ya draw bad card

In a rub-a-dub style…

--Bob Marley, Bad Card

We're spammin', la-la-la....

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Re: What to do with Ray

Post by DHodges » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:05 pm

drowden wrote:Voting is compulsory.
Isn't there supposed to be a vote button or something on the page?

Anyway, I vote for immediate banning. You've been ten times more patient with him than he deserves.

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