mattfaust-
There is a huge difference in understanding women from Weiniger's point of view and just hating them. I have the feeling you hate. There may be some truths in what he has said, and some falacy, take it for what it is. In addition to what you are reading, I would recommend picking up some Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae, or something. Since it seems 'women' are on your mind right now.
Why is it that anyone who reads Weiniger, getting the idea from this board, always ends up thinking they are 'automatically' enlightened enought to judge someone else on their thoughts, especially after asking for opinion in the first place?? This is getting stupid. Edited by: cassiopeiae at: 10/24/03 11:09 pm
Prerequisites for Enlightenment
Re: Prerequisites for Enlightenment
Who thinks they are enlightened enough to judge someone else's thoughts?
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cassiopeiae
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Re: Prerequisites for Enlightenment
Quote:Quote:<hr>Well, in the case of Weiniger, I can't see how a woman or a man who feels the need to defend women could make a balanced judgement about him. Obviously, this is because he made a lot of assertions about women that they naturally will not want to believe. <hr>
Evidently you do...
Evidently you do...
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Isn't it funny that I sent many pages of detailed responses to just one of Weininger's chapters to Kevin Solway over a year ago and he was "too busy" to discuss it, then MGregory said he would relish a dissection of Weininger but he quickly lost interest, and then I argued some points with DEL, but he wasn't up to the task.
Did you post your response to Weininger on the forum? Or is it in some way accessible?
Rhett
Did you post your response to Weininger on the forum? Or is it in some way accessible?
Rhett
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Happiness is the last thing on my mind. I cannot imagine placing happiness before Truth and Wisdom. I also cannot imagine not having sex for whatever reason. But, I make it a top priority not to fall in love, because I readily see how stupid and delusional it makes people. Two of my best friends fell in love, and they quickly became two of the most stupid people I have ever known.
For what purpose do you value sex? Consider that every person that has ever become enlightened has been through the same stage as you, and they all decided that sex was not of value to them. I have also been through this phase, until about 10 months ago i could not possibly fathom why i should discontinue sex. Now sex is of no value to me (although i do place some value on reproduction, but not in relation to me). My penis has just become a soft rubbery thing that periodically expels liquids.
Once you understand the nature of Reality you realise that it is only our delusions that make sex different from brushing our teeth. But by no means have I given up a (supposedly) great experience (sex) for a life of dullness, i have realised the full richness of all experiences. I have consciously traded a delusional rollercoaster of a life (samsara) for nirvana. Nirvana wins hands down, it is far superior.
However, nirvana (or mental freedom) is a totally different experience to anything that an unenlightened person has ever experienced, and is a product of a fundamentally different mindset.
Rhett
Edited by: Rhett Hamilton at: 11/2/03 1:43 pm
For what purpose do you value sex? Consider that every person that has ever become enlightened has been through the same stage as you, and they all decided that sex was not of value to them. I have also been through this phase, until about 10 months ago i could not possibly fathom why i should discontinue sex. Now sex is of no value to me (although i do place some value on reproduction, but not in relation to me). My penis has just become a soft rubbery thing that periodically expels liquids.
Once you understand the nature of Reality you realise that it is only our delusions that make sex different from brushing our teeth. But by no means have I given up a (supposedly) great experience (sex) for a life of dullness, i have realised the full richness of all experiences. I have consciously traded a delusional rollercoaster of a life (samsara) for nirvana. Nirvana wins hands down, it is far superior.
However, nirvana (or mental freedom) is a totally different experience to anything that an unenlightened person has ever experienced, and is a product of a fundamentally different mindset.
Rhett
Edited by: Rhett Hamilton at: 11/2/03 1:43 pm
My experience
I was just enlightened yesterday.
I would like to say my experience. I read Nietzsche's books two months ago, and read Weininger's "Sex and Character" recently, i write about 10 thinking notes in 10 days while reading his book, then, i find i am enlightened. You can find these notes in http://reciteword.cosoft.org.cn/philosophy/
My Linux experience is very important to me, i devote all of my time in Linux two years ago, developed StarDict and ReciteWord, my Linux skill is almost the best in China. And do fitness, go running, swimming, skating, so make your body strong, read literature books, listen classical music, watch many pornographic video to understand sexual intercourse and woman's body.
Any way, my experience should fit a 20 years old boy best.
I would like to say my experience. I read Nietzsche's books two months ago, and read Weininger's "Sex and Character" recently, i write about 10 thinking notes in 10 days while reading his book, then, i find i am enlightened. You can find these notes in http://reciteword.cosoft.org.cn/philosophy/
My Linux experience is very important to me, i devote all of my time in Linux two years ago, developed StarDict and ReciteWord, my Linux skill is almost the best in China. And do fitness, go running, swimming, skating, so make your body strong, read literature books, listen classical music, watch many pornographic video to understand sexual intercourse and woman's body.
Any way, my experience should fit a 20 years old boy best.
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WolfsonJakk
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props to "Master of the Guillotine"
I won't deny my affection for Hong kong cinema.
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birdofhermes
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Did you post your response to Weininger on the forum? Or is it in some way accessible? Only a little of it. It would be hard to find. Most of it I emailed to Kevin Solway.
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YOU ALL ARE ENLIGHTENED. YEP!. EAT , SLEEP , SHIT!.
That is what buddha did , that is what jesus did or any so called enlightened beings.
So be happy with what you are.
YOU ALL ARE ENLIGHTENED BABBLING DUMB HUMAN MONKEY BELIEF WHORES!.
Hahaha!
peace
unknown
That is what buddha did , that is what jesus did or any so called enlightened beings.
So be happy with what you are.
YOU ALL ARE ENLIGHTENED BABBLING DUMB HUMAN MONKEY BELIEF WHORES!.
Hahaha!
peace
unknown
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Dave Toast
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Re: Points of pedantry?
Quote:Quote:<hr>mattfaust: Well, in the case of Weiniger, I can't see how a woman or a man who feels the need to defend women could make a balanced judgement about him. Obviously, this is because he made a lot of assertions about women that they naturally will not want to believe. From my experience, his statements about women is correct.<hr>
So where, other than experience, did the people who feel the need to defend women get their conviction that his statement/s about women are incorrect?
And therefore, from what justification do you summon this non-apparent superiority of causal circumstance, with regard to offering balanced judgement?
Quote:Quote:<hr>Voce: Idiot teachers will say "you need to do this and that". NO YOU DON'T.
If you don't believe this, you won't find Truth.<hr>
;-)
So where, other than experience, did the people who feel the need to defend women get their conviction that his statement/s about women are incorrect?
And therefore, from what justification do you summon this non-apparent superiority of causal circumstance, with regard to offering balanced judgement?
Quote:Quote:<hr>Voce: Idiot teachers will say "you need to do this and that". NO YOU DON'T.
If you don't believe this, you won't find Truth.<hr>
;-)
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Dave Toast
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Re: Points of pedantry?
Quote:Quote:<hr>Rhett: Now sex is of no value to me (although i do place some value on reproduction, but not in relation to me). My penis has just become a soft rubbery thing that periodically expels liquids.
Once you understand the nature of Reality you realise that it is only our delusions that make sex different from brushing our teeth. But by no means have I given up a (supposedly) great experience (sex) for a life of dullness, i have realised the full richness of all experiences. I have consciously traded a delusional rollercoaster of a life (samsara) for nirvana. Nirvana wins hands down, it is far superior.<hr>
It's so true:
"The problem with the ascetic is that their poverty always turns into their riches."
Quote:Quote:<hr>Rhett: Consider that every person that has ever become enlightened has been through the same stage as you, and they all decided that sex was not of value to them.<hr>
Strange, the above quote comes from a man whom many regard as enlightened. He also went through decades of ascetism.
“Hold on to the center and make up your mind to rejoice in this paradise called life.â€
Lao Tzu.
He was supposed to be enlightened wasn't he.
You've got to guess he was talking about the centre of the wheel, and the rest of it. Edited by: Dave Toast at: 11/3/03 10:16 am
Once you understand the nature of Reality you realise that it is only our delusions that make sex different from brushing our teeth. But by no means have I given up a (supposedly) great experience (sex) for a life of dullness, i have realised the full richness of all experiences. I have consciously traded a delusional rollercoaster of a life (samsara) for nirvana. Nirvana wins hands down, it is far superior.<hr>
It's so true:
"The problem with the ascetic is that their poverty always turns into their riches."
Quote:Quote:<hr>Rhett: Consider that every person that has ever become enlightened has been through the same stage as you, and they all decided that sex was not of value to them.<hr>
Strange, the above quote comes from a man whom many regard as enlightened. He also went through decades of ascetism.
“Hold on to the center and make up your mind to rejoice in this paradise called life.â€
Lao Tzu.
He was supposed to be enlightened wasn't he.
You've got to guess he was talking about the centre of the wheel, and the rest of it. Edited by: Dave Toast at: 11/3/03 10:16 am
Re: Points of pedantry?
It's so true:
"The problem with the ascetic is that their poverty always turns into their riches."
What was the context in which he said this? He was probably referring to the attachment that people develop to their poverty (instead of transcending ignorance altogether). I am not attached to not valuing sex, i mentioned it in response to Matt's post.
If you think there is a problem in being indifferent to sex, what is it?
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Rhett: Consider that every person that has ever become enlightened has been through the same stage as you, and they all decided that sex was not of value to them.
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Strange, the above quote comes from a man whom many regard as enlightened. He also went through decades of ascetism.
“Hold on to the center and make up your mind to rejoice in this paradise called life.â€
Lao Tzu.
He was supposed to be enlightened wasn't he.
You've got to guess he was talking about the centre of the wheel, and the rest of it.
I have read very little of Lao Tzu, would someone else like to comment on Dave's interpretation?
Rhett
"The problem with the ascetic is that their poverty always turns into their riches."
What was the context in which he said this? He was probably referring to the attachment that people develop to their poverty (instead of transcending ignorance altogether). I am not attached to not valuing sex, i mentioned it in response to Matt's post.
If you think there is a problem in being indifferent to sex, what is it?
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Rhett: Consider that every person that has ever become enlightened has been through the same stage as you, and they all decided that sex was not of value to them.
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Strange, the above quote comes from a man whom many regard as enlightened. He also went through decades of ascetism.
“Hold on to the center and make up your mind to rejoice in this paradise called life.â€
Lao Tzu.
He was supposed to be enlightened wasn't he.
You've got to guess he was talking about the centre of the wheel, and the rest of it.
I have read very little of Lao Tzu, would someone else like to comment on Dave's interpretation?
Rhett
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birdofhermes
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Re: Points of pedantry?
If you think there is a problem in being indifferent to sex, what is it?
Might you be suffering from malnourishment?
Might you be suffering from malnourishment?
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cassiopeiae
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Re: Points of pedantry?
Quote:Quote:<hr>Dave: “Hold on to the center and make up your mind to rejoice in this paradise called life.â€
Lao Tzu.
He was supposed to be enlightened wasn't he.
You've got to guess he was talking about the centre of the wheel, and the rest of it.
Rhett: I have read very little of Lao Tzu, would someone else like to comment on Dave's interpretation?<hr>
Lao Tzu viewed life and each experience as 'sweet'. Basically, I think what Mr. Toast was trying to convey is that one should perceive and appreciate all life has to offer, simply because it makes up our experiences. Experience is what gives us life, learning, and the opportunity to express ourselves, so why not enjoy and taste all we can.
Lao Tzu.
He was supposed to be enlightened wasn't he.
You've got to guess he was talking about the centre of the wheel, and the rest of it.
Rhett: I have read very little of Lao Tzu, would someone else like to comment on Dave's interpretation?<hr>
Lao Tzu viewed life and each experience as 'sweet'. Basically, I think what Mr. Toast was trying to convey is that one should perceive and appreciate all life has to offer, simply because it makes up our experiences. Experience is what gives us life, learning, and the opportunity to express ourselves, so why not enjoy and taste all we can.
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the meme of barnaby
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nicht
MGregory makes a good point:
Can any man become enlightened if he wants to? Yes. Does every man want to become enlightened? No.
I also believe that achievement requires drive and motivation. Evidently, MGregory believes that everyone has the capacity for this enlightenment, although this is neatly rebutted by suergaz:
Mgregory, does that include men with brain damage?
In addition to (in terms of health) sub-normal indiviudals, I argue that there are limited numbers of the NORMAL (in terms of health again) population that are UNABLE to achieve enlightenment. I don't believe that everyone is able to possess the drive towards an ultimate truth. Many are happy with contemporary life and societal roles and see no need to "step outside the box" as it were.
What is the value of sex?
If you think there is a problem in being indifferent to sex, what is it?
Anna:
Might you be suffering from malnourishment?
I am not suffering from its absence at all. Once one stops projecting all sorts of false notions onto reality one sees sex as being no greater than any other experience, and since it involves such a strong connection with another human, and a highly deluded one at that, one is likely to choose other experiences over it.
I have plenty of opportunity for sex, in fact, i have had to turn it down on many occasions.
Cass:
Lao Tzu viewed life and each experience as 'sweet'. Basically, I think what Mr. Toast was trying to convey is that one should perceive and appreciate all life has to offer, simply because it makes up our experiences. Experience is what gives us life, learning, and the opportunity to express ourselves, so why not enjoy and taste all we can.
Sure, i agree totally with Lao. It is your interpretation of him that is incorrect and illogical. You are still placing a higher value on sex over other experiences, at the same time that you are affirming that each and every experience is equally 'sweet'.
Don't people realise that they aren't in any way addressing the core issues here? No-one has answered the question that i posed (that is at the beginning of this email). Furthermore, can anyone give reasons for having sex?
As soon as people start talking about sex their rationality tends to go straight out the window, and with it their consciousness.
Rhett
Anna:
Might you be suffering from malnourishment?
I am not suffering from its absence at all. Once one stops projecting all sorts of false notions onto reality one sees sex as being no greater than any other experience, and since it involves such a strong connection with another human, and a highly deluded one at that, one is likely to choose other experiences over it.
I have plenty of opportunity for sex, in fact, i have had to turn it down on many occasions.
Cass:
Lao Tzu viewed life and each experience as 'sweet'. Basically, I think what Mr. Toast was trying to convey is that one should perceive and appreciate all life has to offer, simply because it makes up our experiences. Experience is what gives us life, learning, and the opportunity to express ourselves, so why not enjoy and taste all we can.
Sure, i agree totally with Lao. It is your interpretation of him that is incorrect and illogical. You are still placing a higher value on sex over other experiences, at the same time that you are affirming that each and every experience is equally 'sweet'.
Don't people realise that they aren't in any way addressing the core issues here? No-one has answered the question that i posed (that is at the beginning of this email). Furthermore, can anyone give reasons for having sex?
As soon as people start talking about sex their rationality tends to go straight out the window, and with it their consciousness.
Rhett