poison of the heart: ramblings of a nihilistic egghead

[zarathustra]

this forum has been literally swamped by a collection of nihilistic eggheads who waffle on about the most meaningless,abstract, metaphysical crap:the 'one' 'enlightenment', 'buddhism', bla, bla, bla,
fucking BLAHHHH!!! These posturing, know-all, nihilistic little eggheads then cast judgement on all: women, ego, life, work and how much more superior they believe themselves to be.women=inferior, ego and life=illusions, work=distraction: impediments to their glorious march towards the ultimate NOTHING...."what is this nothing?" I ask...to which they oh so eloquently reply:................................? To which I reply: "you don't know, and you know you don't know......"

[Blair]

Funny, I think you are the nihilistic egghead.

Have another suck on the bong, burn-out.

[David Quinn]

I think he's run out of bananas.

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[David Quinn]

You should seriously consider leaving the forum, zarathustra. You don't seem to have anything to contribute. All you're doing is thrusting your chimpanzee mentality in our faces and spewing out your hatred of philosophic thought. I can't see how this benefits anyone.

It would be no different if you were to go to a physics forum and spend your whole time ranting about how physics sucks. It's a waste of energy. You're only embarassing yourself.

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[unknown]

I think ZARA is correct. David quinn is a babbler who likes to eat his puke.

The thing is Quinn is not the only one. All humans are same babblers.

The thing good about ZARA is atleast he is challenging this BOZO's. Atleast for his own entertainment.

Until you become self critical of your existance and beliefs, you all are going nowhere.

You all are babbling belief whores!.

[David Quinn]

Unknown wrote:

Skwark! Skwark! Skwark! Skwark!

He's not challenging anyone, that's the problem. I don't even feel remotely challenged by him. He is simply too unintelligent to do this. He's wasting everyone's time.

I can see why you like him, though. You're two peas in a pod. I'd love to see a conversation between you two:

Unknown: Skwark! Skwark! Skwark! Skwark!

Zarathustra: Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Riveting.

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[Matt Gregory]

Now that you mention it, Unknown is kind of like the vulture around here, picking up the leftovers of people who couldn't sink their teeth into anything here.

"Message me at msn.com you babbling whores!"

[unknown]

I am not against Quinn or Drowden or anyone here. Every one has some form of opinion. There is no way one can say their opinion is correct and others are wrong. Based on what ? Everything is based on arbitary assumption. If you keep digging more and more, you will come to the place where you started in the beginning.

I can't tell any one how to think. First because it won't change them from who they are. Second it is evil.

Anyone looking for answers , actually have an answer. They basically checking with their answers and comparing with what they get from outside. Comparing and readjusting their beliefs.

It is simply, their ability of the brain to digest "new" information.

When you have strong belief, you will be unable to listen to anything marginally opposite or different. Because your brain will be conditioned so much , it take lots of efforts for brain to accomade new thought especially opposite thought exist in your brain , the more blood run in your brain to make it happen , more headache will be. Basically humans wants to be comfortable and happy and lazy. That is bottom line.

Quinn is a close minded human. So is all of the humans until they start to ask question to themself.

I can call him dumb, fool , idiot or smart. It won't change who he is. For him he is a smart kid(?). For everyone they are the hero. He is just an idol(belief) worshipper now. Until that "copy cat" method disappears.

Argument , dialog exists only when many varieties of beliefs.

In reality, there is nothing to argue. When you know how trivial you are. You will be stop babbling theories and start doing something important in some sense.

The best way to understand me is , Your ability to not to see me but see yourself.

That is what i reflect.

For people with weak mind , they see ghost everywhere. It is the their own projection of their fear.

When you see me as some person , you are projecting your condition.

You will never going to see who you are until that conditioned mind disappear.

Bottom line is , You have to condition your brain to something .

Peace
unknown

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Every one has some form of opinion. There is no way one can say their opinion is correct others are wrong.

It's really no secret around here that most people are living in merely a world of opinion and imagination. Your conviction that no one can escape it seems dogmatic and another belief that serves mostly your own position.

Why are you so afraid of the world of Reason and fundamental knowledge, the desire to get to "adequate ideas of the properties of things". Is it because here it's indeed possible to demonstrate how wrong an opinion is, if there's enough will and determination?

If you keep digging more and more you will come to the place where you started in the beginning.

Not if you keep on digging straight you don't. Need a compass?

[Kevin Solway]

Everything is based on arbitary assumption.

Since this view of yours is based on arbitrary assumption, why bother sharing it with us?

[zarathustra]

prince...fuck you you conservative little arse wipe! better to get ripped on LSD (my drug of choice)then fuck my girl, than get HOOKED on 'abstractions' and masturbate...I mean I know what you blokes think about sex, especially the opposite sex.You're FASCISTS....why don't you go join George Bush's crucade for a drug free america, after all, you have a lot in common with christian fundamentalism, all you've done is swap a few labels...As for writing=intelligence=metaphysical regurgitator=genius,what a joke. There is NOTHING NEW in all the crap you are waffling on about here, which is mostly prosaic, achromatic, dogmatic, ambiguous and full of cliches. Poetry and art, which most of you detest...you wouldn't have a clue! Ksol poems: ha! nothing but doggeral, not one decent metaphor present...Philosophy? Balls!

[David Quinn]

Yeah, we know, mate. You have already stated this view a number of times. It is getting repetitive and tedious.

I think you should at least take a break from the forum for a couple of months. Then, if you manage to string a couple of coherent thoughts together in your head, you can come back and share them with us. But whatever you decide to do, this business of endlessly ranting against philosophy in a barely intelligible manner has to stop. It's becoming indistinguishable from spam.

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[unknown]

Quinn, keep on babbling, Thats all you are doing. You fail to see again and again. I do not exists. The longer you see me, the more you are projecting your conditioned brain. :)

[Matt Gregory]

He wasn't even talking to you, Unknown, you babbling belief whore.

When you have a strong belief, you won't be able to listen to anything or even comprehend what's going on around you, because your brain will be tethered to the belief like a donkey to a pole. Because this conditioning can run deep, it can take lots of effort for the brain to accommodate new thoughts--especially thoughts that conflict with those that exist in your brain. Basically, humans want to be comfortable and happy and lazy. That is the bottom line.

Unknown is a closed minded human. So are all humans until they start to ask questions to themselves and learn how to reflect on the things they say, do, and believe.

The best way to understand me is to reflect on these thoughts in relation to yourself to see if they are true and if they can be applied to you. If you have something to say to someone, first reflect on it and see if it applies to you. There are no shortcuts to thinking for yourself.

Saying the same old script to people over and over again doesn't accomplish anything, because it's obvious that you don't listen to anyone. If you don't pay attention to anyone, then why should anyone pay attention to you?

[unknown]

hi matt , I do not exists. No need to pay attention to me.

The best thing you can do is , pay attention to yourself.

I win , if you pay attention to yourself. Thats all.

There is no magic secret. There is no great theory. It is just you all fail to pay attention to yourself.

i don't like to employ gimmich and theories to make you do that simple thing.

I can't force you to do that. Then it is no use. It is your brain ability to see and watch your own behaviour.

Until then you project things of not your own.

peace
unknown

[Matt Gregory]

I do not exists.

You exist if I think of you as existing.

No need to pay attention to me.

I'm not paying attention to you because I need to, but rather because I want to because you're distracting me.

The best thing you can do is , pay attention to yourself.

Why should I? What makes it the best thing I can do?

I win , if you pay attention to yourself. Thats all.

Well, you're losing right now.

There is no magic secret. There is no great theory. It is just you all fail to pay attention to yourself.

i don't like to employ gimmich and theories to make you do that simple thing.

The very thing you're doing is a gimmick (spelled with a 'k'). There's nothing wrong with explaining youself.

I can't force you to do that.

You could convince me to do it if you're skillful enough.

Then it is no use.

Why not?

It is your brain ability to see and watch your own behaviour.

Until then you project things of not your own.

If I don't exist, how could I do anything else?

I wonder if you ought to learn English a little better, so you can read what others on this forum are saying to you and respond appropriately.

[unknown]

:)

[Kitoak]

first name calling is the act of a mind with nothing intelligent to say.
And so we digress to the pits of hell to illuminate ourselves in the light of the flames.

zara, who doesn't even know what his namesake stands for, is an acting member of the facist communist polictical group hoping for a better america, by protesting bush, but loving the war at hand. This war could be any war he chooses to defend, or offend as the mood takes him.


unknown who doesn't exist belongs the infamous Socialist Jew party which believes we will all live better if we all don't exists, and if we do...we should just pretend otherwise, because if there is no thought, there is no purpose and if no purpose we join his new Socialist Jew party like the rest of them.


So in conculsion, I would like to say, the babblers win!!! regardless of how people feel about said babbling, if they don't like the babble I'm sure they can find another board. babbling, may appear to be unintelligent to them, but actually talking outloud to yourself, or babbling gives great new thoughts to those who if they have an open mind will find new answers.

[Tord]

As a new member to your pretentiously named forum, I can't help wondering if there are only children here. Are you really discussing (to use a term it hardly deserves) what it is possible for us as a race to know and understand? It should be obvious that what we can understand is practically nothing. We must not forget the big picture here, i.e. the classic antrophocentric fallacy. I've concluded long ago that the igorant are problably right in their disregard for "facts", not that they consciously have chosen this of course, because as a race we are inferior. So like some of you obviously have done is to succumb to the pointlessness of searching for answers, and thereby joined the overwhelming majority of mankind. But though the task seems hopeless I personally will never stop to do just that. You may find peace in drugs, sex, food, tv, or whatever you use to forget your meaningless existence, but that is not a way for a mind that is humbled before the cosmos. Anyway, why bother with those who have lost the will?

And just to avoid being target of one of the arguments set forth, is it really a good way to discredit someones view by pointing out that they are less than fluent in english? As long as you understand what one is trying to communicate, that should be enough. Not doing that is surely no way to conduct an argument for a "genius".

[Matt Gregory]

Tord wrote:

As a new member to your pretentiously named forum, I can't help wondering if there are only children here. Are you really discussing (to use a term it hardly deserves) what it is possible for us as a race to know and understand?

No, we're discussing what an individual consciousness can possibly understand, hence the word "genius".

It should be obvious that what we can understand is practically nothing.

Well, if you're content with what's merely obvious then all the best to you.

Anyway, why bother with those who have lost the will?

Just because someone has no will to think doesn't mean it can't be awakened in him. People don't think only because they don't see the benefit of thinking.

And just to avoid being target of one of the arguments set forth, is it really a good way to discredit someones view by pointing out that they are less than fluent in english?

I wasn't trying to discredit Unknown. I was probably giving him more credit than he deserves in wondering if there isn't something more to his philosophy than what he might be able to express in English. He's been on here for months and hasn't said anything apart from the three or four ideas he reiterates over and over again.

And anyway, why would you go out of your way to avoid being the target of someone's arguments? If you are afraid then isn't that fear something that would be worthwhile to overcome, if only for yourself? Getting rid of egotistical crap like that is what we're doing here.

[Tord]

If one has decided from the start to misunderstand, then it is seldom hard to do so. Am I going "out of my way" to avoid arguments? Then I would hardly be here now, would I? If you bothered to understand, you would see that it was simply a way to express that using ones language skills as an argument is simply ridicilous.

Maybe I have yet to learn the tone that seemingly is used here, like: "babbling whores", "eggheads", "chimpanzee mentality", "likes to eat his own puke". This isn't terms I normally use when discussing my opinions with other people, but maybe in time...

And when I thought it was a forum for geniuses and not people who talk about what it presumably is like to be one, is probably my fault. But it doesn't seem less pretentious to belive you can awaken the longing for knowledge in an average person. If that really is your opinion, you have been greatly misconceived about the human potential.

That was another thing I mentioned, but I guess you, like all products of 2000 years of christian brainwashing, firmly belive in the superiority of our species. But even if you come to terms with that, I've never seen this fact as a reason not to try to search for answers.

"We live on a placid island in a sea of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Or is that talking above your head?

[unknown]

Matt is my puppet. I like puppets.

He reacts , dance and make up his own mind. He is a whore of beliefs. He is a slut.

He is trying to understand what i am trying to say. Well what he fails to see is, he is reading things according to his own context. The max he can understand in that state is his own context.

You can understand things only up to a level within confines of a context.

I can't force him to see. i can't force him to understand. I can't force him to act the way i like to be. Then it is no use.

He has to figure out on his own. To do that , he has to ask questions. He has to find the reasons for my posting. when he realizes that all the reason he can find is his own reasons. His own refelections. He will be quiet.

Until then he likes to puke like quinn. I can't blame him for who he is.

peace
unknown

[Dan Rowden]

And when I thought it was a forum for geniuses and not people who talk about what it presumably is like to be one, is probably my fault.

The usual and easiest way to avoid making false assumptions about a forum is to read their introduction/welcome threads. Did you do that, Tord?


Dan Rowden

[Tord]

Either it's too long since I've wandered among you men and so forgotten how to speak their limiting language, or it's that you seems determined to sift sand instead of moving boulders. You did of course Mr. Rowden notice that my comment related to an argument, and robbed of its contex will not give the impression I was aiming for?

But, always eager to correct my mistakes, I read through the introduction again, and, you were quite correct, failed to notice the details that was written there.

And from what I found maybe it really is so that I'm out of my league here, I quote: "...when one's [sic] knowledge is permanent, complete, and beyond doubt." Excuse me? Complete knowledge? That's no small achievement! On the other side I don't think I like permanent knowledge as much. Personally I often tend to make mistakes in my assumptions, which I have to modify according to whatever new knowledge I happen to pick up. But then again, if everyone else here has complete knowledge I guess you never made that mistake.

[David Quinn]

"Complete knowledge" is not meant to refer to scientific or empirical knowledge. Strictly speaking, there is no knowledge to be found in science and empirical observation. There is only speculative theorizing. One has to go beyond science in order to find knowledge.

A true genius knows everything that can ever be known about life, so in that sense his knowledge is complete. His understanding of the nature of Reality cannot be improved upon, added to, or overturned. He has reached the very summit of knowledge.

Of course, it would be a mistake for a foolish person to imagine that his knowledge is complete. But this doesn't have any relevance to the true genius, whose knowledge is actually complete.

As for "permanent knowledge", there is no need to be scared of this, or to reject it out of hand simply on ideological grounds. The sign of a first-class thinker is his ability to distinguish between what is permanently true and what is merely provisional theorizing. Not many people have this ability, in my experience.

It would be a big mistake on your part, Tord, to dismiss permanent truth out of hand. That's just close-mindededness, on a par with the kind of close-mindedness that we see in religious fundamentalists.

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