Ontological Perception

[analog57]

Conceptually speaking, from a purely materialistic standpoint, "objective reality" seems true enough, that we should not question it; but in truth, our objective realities are merely virtual reality creations of the mind and are actually subjective reflections, or shadows, of an ostensible *absolute world* beyond our senses. The only verification of this absolute reality is via consensus with other minds. Hence, the objective reality becomes an assumption, which relies on the confirmations of other observers. That means that in accordance with the scientific method, our objective reality, cannot be proved to be an independent absolute - only inferred to be an absolute, as possibly playing a particular role, in accordance with the statistical status quo.

We then come to the reductive realization that our ostensible - concensible objectification, assumes there exists a separation between object and subject, - "perceived and perceiver", but in truth, there isn't any separation. The only reality that we can ever know is the reality of perception, which is the reality of mind. Of course you may stub your toe, pronouncing to yourself that "it is satisfactorily refuted thus!"

But pain is also a perception of mind.

All objects of perception require a uniform logically consistent substrate OF perception, meaning that all objects of perception require a uniform[consciously aware] mental template of subjectification. Thus if the objective world stability is perceived as it truly is then the stability
of the subjective is the same as the stability of the objective. Ergo, the objective and subjective reality forms a duality, reflecting the two sides
of the same coin called awareness/consciousness. Raw awareness and consciousness forms the most basic aspect of the [objective/subjective] reality. Pure existence becomes pure thought/consciousness.

Thought becomes causality.

Causality creates time.

Conception creates the universe.

Consciousness is specifically localized and distributed globally.

God is that which nothing greater can be conceived. The greatest possible[aware/conscious] Being.

1 ) God is something that nothing greater can be conceived.

2) To exist in global reality is greater than to exist in the localized mind[reality] only.

3) Therefore, God exists.

[Kevin Solway]

God is that which nothing greater can be conceived. The greatest possible[aware/conscious] Being.

The greatest "thing" that can be conceived is the Totality. But since there is nothing other than the Totality, there is nothing for it to be conscious or aware of. Therefore the Totality, God, is not conscious or aware.

[Matt Gregory]

By that logic I can't be aware of my own awareness, since awareness can't be anything other than itself.

[Kevin Solway]

By that logic I can't be aware of my own awareness, since awareness can't be anything other than itself.

Your awareness is aware of "things" (ie, other than itself), and because of this awareness it infers its own existence.

In the case of the Totality, however, there are no other things, so it cannot infer its own existence.

[Kevin Solway]

On the other hand we could think of our consciousness as being the consciousness of the Totality, and when we are aware of other things, the Totality is thus aware of things other than its consciousness, but not other than itself.

[Matt Gregory]

That's like saying that because birds fly and they are part of the Totality, the flying of birds is the flying of the Totality, therefore the Totality flies. It's not exactly a wrong thing to say but saying that would be kind of weird!

[Leyla Shen]

Your awareness is aware of "things" (ie, other than itself), and because of this awareness it infers its own existence. In the case of the Totality, however, there are no other things, so it cannot infer its own existence.

On the other hand we could think of our consciousness as being the consciousness of the Totality, and when we are aware of other things, the Totality is thus aware of things other than its consciousness, but not other than itself.

Truly remarkable, Kevin.

[freelight]

On the other hand we could think of our consciousness as being the consciousness of the Totality, and when we are aware of other things, the Totality is thus aware of things other than its consciousness, but not other than itself.

Hi kev,

Wonderful statement which touches on certain dimensions. If indeed our consciousness is the consciousness of the Totality...the Only Mind BEING....the 'things' conceived/perceived within this consciousness appear within Mind....yet these 'things' are still made up of the substance of Mind as Mind is the Sole substance of All that IS. So since Mind or Infinite Intelligence is the Only Mind existing....it is always natively BEING. While Mind includes in its awarness all things...it is still only Mind appearing. Let me know if I'm warm.



paul

[zarathustra]

there is no god...there is only beautiful falsehood...your premise has gone - your arguments, false...the houses you build, in some cases, may be beautiful, but in all cases, are without foundation...your conclusions don't matter...right, wrong...two ways of moving about your death...IT IS.

[freelight]

there is no god...there is only beautiful falsehood...your premise has gone - your arguments, false...the houses you build, in some cases, may be beautiful, but in all cases, are without foundation...your conclusions don't matter...right, wrong...two ways of moving about your death...IT IS.

You may deny Gods existence per your own definition/understanding....and claim such a Deity has no foundation. What other foundation do you propose to support your version of ontological reality - or what you imply by 'IT IS'?



paul