Why is Otto Weininger so important for you guys?
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:32 am
as a frequent visitor to the absolute.net I would like to know why.
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Why not? Would you like to discuss it?mindcave wrote:as a frequent visitor to the absolute.net I would like to know why.
I think you should stop and consider whether or not you are embarrassing yourself needlessly.whocares wrote:mmmmmmmmmmmmm?
So, he is an idol of sorts.
Can't you men have an original thought? Oh, gee, sorry, it is only women who follow everyone like sheep, please excuse me.
That is a pretty fucking biased and generalized statement.Firstly, women do not follow like sheep; women are sheep.
But sheep are definitely women, wouldn't you agree? Not sure how far your experience with sheep goes.Ras866 wrote: Women aren't sheep.
That would mean they wouldn't really possess those limits at all, if they disappear so readily. In other words, you're saying here that there's no depth to them.They seem to have no moral or ethical limits when they find out a man has gotten the best of them
Apart from the odd chromosome you mean. One could as well say this means there's only man while 'woman' is made up, only existing in some psychological world, embodying 'being lost' and mistaken identity.Women are human-beings with the same-same DNA make-up as the male of the species last I checked.
To be sure, many women would prefer to hear Dan's statement that they are sheep :)I guess I just can't get passed seeing a woman as a mere sex object... I am sure there are better qualities to a woman than just sex, though.
Or there is only woman and 'man' is made up. Either way. What makes a man a man is a pair of testicles and what makes a woman is a vagina.One could as well say this means there's only man while 'woman' is made up
They are welcome to, yes. Being 'sheeplike' is a human trait, for humans (man and woman) are animals with animal instincts, social beings who find security in numbers (the herd). In this way humans are sheep-like (both man and woman). Sure, why not.When women are said to be everything what is sheeplike in human nature, it means that just like any man they are welcome to escape it. There's no reason to sugargoat it.
Yes, you are probably right.RAS:I guess I just can't get passed seeing a woman as a mere sex object... I am sure there are better qualities to a woman than just sex, though.
DIEBERT:To be sure, many women would prefer to hear Dan's statement that they are sheep :)
Fair enough, so many men use make up as well. But the question should be: would it be really helpful to talk about woman as ideal and man as 'made up', or both as 'equal'? You'll have to broaden your understanding of the differences apart from the obvious. The whole physical and social functioning puts women as type in the role of herd animal, going for safety and security, friendship and peace. The man has the disposition to go outwards, to explore, to uproot the peace, to initiate change, to aggressively penetrate the secret and to destroy that what is blocking change. The fact that he's not ending up doing this, or at least not for the highest possible purpose, doesn't undo the difference. One might wonder how (the phenomenon of) women could influence this. Your already gave some possibilities:Ras866 wrote:Or there is only woman and 'man' is made up. Either way. What makes a man a man is a pair of testicles and what makes a woman is a vagina.Diebert wrote:One could as well say this means there's only man while 'woman' is made up
Ras866 wrote:They also have the amazing power of CONTROL. They can manipulate quite effectively. They seem to have no moral or ethical limits (...) But they are so incredibly sexy and beautiful. And, they have a way of filling a man with pride, joy, and contentment
Women are a flock, and fashion is its shepherd.drowden: Firstly, women do not follow like sheep; women are sheep.
Ras: That is a pretty fucking biased and generalized statement.
Women aren't sheep. Women are human-beings with the same-same DNA make-up as the male of the species last I checked. Meaning, they are neither inferior or superior in the grand scheme. Men seem to be biologically advantaged at cutting trees and providing food, shelter, setting up government (although always faulty), inventing neat and useful technology, making scientific breathroughs that cure diseases, inventing cars, trains, boats, and planes. Men are physically stronger and faster too. Women have their thing too. They are sexier than any man alive. Even the ugliest chick is sexier than the handsomest man. They are so sexy that women are, on a certain level, attracted to each other (like "you look hot/cute/sexy in that skirt" or the million porn movies where women actually get it on with each other). That's how sexy they are. They are also beautiful. They can be elegant and seductive. And they can say the cutest and most adorable things. They also have the amazing power of CONTROL. They can manipulate quite effectively. They seem to have no moral or ethical limits when they find out a man has gotten the best of them. They will literally kill all his children, and hers if she had them with him, just to get back at the guy. But they are so incredibly sexy and beautiful. And, they have a way of filling a man with pride, joy, and contentment that no other thing can besides heroin or ecstacy which provides the same chemical effect in the brain that a woman can have on a man.
There must be more to a woman than her wrapping paper? Surely, there can't be nothing at all. If only the wrapping paper wouldn't glitter so much, I might be able to see.....I guess I just can't get passed seeing a woman as a mere sex object... I am sure there are better qualities to a woman than just sex, though.
The souls of women are so small,DavidQuinn000 wrote:The souls of women are so small, that some believe they've none at all. (Anonymous saying)
Let's not miss the point. No-one was speaking about "pretty fucking" biology here. You should have checked as well that we speak about reason as it defines man adequately. Biological outlook is no more than secondary as nowadays the majority of biological men (i.e. "human beings with penises", if you will) also lack reason and act like sheep.Ras866 wrote:drowden said:That is a pretty fucking biased and generalized statement.Firstly, women do not follow like sheep; women are sheep.
Women aren't sheep. Women are human-beings with the same-same DNA make-up as the male of the species last I checked. Meaning, they are neither inferior or superior in the grand scheme. Men seem to be biologically advantaged (snip)
There's a more prosaic reason: the last chapter of the book is about Jews, that's why the book became almost "forgotten" in the last fifty years or so.avidaloca wrote:It's also important to realise that of all his contemporaries he would be the least represented in books/media and so on. His major work Sex and Character was only released this year in a quality translation, despite being published more than a century earlier in 1903.
He's probably a little too "hot" for most people, which is why he was, and continues to be, ignored and scorned.
He just means that women are "willful" in the sense that they have demands and opinions, and not much else. For example, demand for fashion items, furniture, and for a man with financial prospects to pay for it all.DavidQuinn000 wrote:Will is the manner of men; willingness that of women. That is the law of the sexes - truly, a hard law for women. - Nietzsche
I'm not sure what Butler is thinking of here.
It just could be where I'm at at the moment, but lately this seems to me to manifest itslef as an endless series of complaints. There is always something that could be better.Kevin Solway wrote:He just means that women are "willful" in the sense that they have demands and opinions, and not much else. For example, demand for fashion items, furniture, and for a man with financial prospects to pay for it all.
That's at the bottom of page 189 in the original and the top of page 171 in the Robert Willis....the judgment of identity...relates certainly always to concepts, never to sensations or complexes of such, and concepts are, as logical concepts, timeless, they retain their constancy whether I, as psychological subject, constantly think them or not. However a person yet never thinks a concept purely as a logical concept because he is no purely logical being, but rather also a psychological one, "affected by the conditions of sensuality", he can, in lieu of that, only always think a general ideation arising from his individual experiences through mutual erasure of differences and amplification of similarities (a "typical", "connotative", "representative" ideation), which yet can contain the abstract aspect of conceptuality and, in a wonderful way, can be utilized in this sense. He must therefore have the potential to preserve, to conserve, the ideation in which he explicitly thinks the de facto inexplicit concept; this possibility, once again, is only guaranteed to him through memory. Thus if he lacks memory, so also would the possibility be gone for him to think logically, that possibility which, so to say, incarnates itself always only on a psychological medium.
because they all LOVE his thoughts expressed in sex & character.mindcave wrote:as a frequent visitor to the absolute.net I would like to know why.
...how do you make a statement like this one valid? From a survey?He just means that women are "willful" in the sense that they have demands and opinions, and not much else. For example, demand for fashion items, furniture, and for a man with financial prospects to pay for it all.
If I may venture a guess, experience and careful observation.mindcave wrote:...how do you make a statement like this one valid? From a survey?He just means that women are "willful" in the sense that they have demands and opinions, and not much else. For example, demand for fashion items, furniture, and for a man with financial prospects to pay for it all.