You continuously use the word "outside" without any context and thereby imply inferences which were never implied by me, I've spoken about the words "within" and "outside" in regard to consciousness on at least five occasions during this thread.jupiviv wrote: So what are the "imagined total" and the "specific" you accuse me of confusing between?
S:
I never implied that there weren't "things" other than "my" consciousness, which implied that I was saying that the specific ("my" consciousness) was the totality. Which would be solipsism rather than idealism.
J:
LAWL...How can there *be* other consciousnesses when you deny that anything exists *outside* of consciousness?! If you think that there is a consciousness identifiable as mine or yours then it is an instance of consciousness and therefore nothing can exist outside it, including other consciousnesses.
To imply there are "other instances" (which is is suitably inexact language) of consciousness, is not the same as saying things exist "outside" consciousness(which would necessarily have to be different in nature than consciousness).
To be clarify, I also wouldn't say that things exist "inside" consciousness.
What I am saying is that there is nothing which differs in its core nature from what we refer to as consciousness- there are only various 'manifestations' of such, "yours", "mine", or 'instances' if you like that word.
It's really odd how you keep coming to these inferences, all that is being said is that this "physical realm" which supposedly exists independently from consciousness, (materialism) does not exist (Idealism). This doesn't change reality,the world, or how it all works, it only stops one from clinging to vague imaginations of this mind-independent 'stuff' (you're yet to explain what it is you're suggesting exists).
I quoted your use of the word on both occasions in a negative manner, I specifically said "I never implied" the following and "which (would have) implied" the following.jupiviv wrote:You just did! Unbelievable...
Not only are you unbelievable in your repetition of speaking on my behalf and misquoting, as well as making your own inferences then claiming they were mine, you also write words like "LAWL" in a conversation which is apparently to be judged by logic, I'm not even sure why I reply to you, I really wouldn't normally speak to a person if they wrote words like "LAWL". Can you cease doing that? I can't justify myself really, it just feels like I'm talking to a twelve year old when you do it.