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Prejudice, predisposition, emotional reaction, past impressions, egoistic clinging, assumptions, presumptions, hearsay, idolization, conjecture, second hand 'knowledge', beliefs, opinions. Humanity. Almost no one (that I've ever come across, whether it be in person or their works in whatever format) displays that they care about wisdom or seeking it at all without falling into any or all of the above.

The average man makes decisions based on ignorance, suffers the consequences of his ignorance, and does not know the only solution to his suffering is wisdom. He who is ignorant is unconscious, deluded, blinded, little better than an animal. "The fool sleeps as if he were already dead".

My advice to you: care more about wisdom than you do about anything else in the world, or you will never find a completion of it, and you will never be free.

If you told me what is wisdom I could take more care about it? What makes you think that it may be complete?

Let's spin the issue back on its head again, desire and attachment are prevalent on human beings until death may take them apart. Wisdom is living according to nature.

Bobo wrote:Let's spin the issue back on its head again, desire and attachment are prevalent on human beings until death may take them apart. Wisdom is living according to nature.

It's unclear what you're saying here. Are desire and attachment unavoidable or the "norm"? Wouldn't that come natural to human beings? But you're also saying wisdom is living according to "nature". What do you think nature is? A cow lives according to his nature, normally. When the cow goes against that, breaking the mold, getting 'unnatural", he might realize he's just a naked man crouching down on the field eating grass. He stands up and jumps the fence. Only now he's fit to ask the question on what might be his nature.

>> It's unclear what you're saying here. Are desire and attachment unavoidable or the "norm"?

It seems that desire may be diminished and attachment may be suspended, suffering may be unavoidable.


>> Wouldn't that come natural to human beings?

To all beings, you may call it the Will to power, it's never complete.


>> What do you think nature is?

Nature is that same Will to power.


>> When the cow goes against that, breaking the moult, getting 'unnatural", he might realize he's just a naked man crouching down on the field eating grass. He stands up and jumps the fence.

Normally, this cow was no normal cow by what you are saying for sur it was a genius of its kind, I wonder how many genius cows gets slaughtered with the other billions every year.


>> Only now he's fit to ask the question on what might be his nature.

He may question it, he also has to live it, and to live it he may think that he has to transform nature only to find that his nature is getting worse, maybe its better for him to transform his nature to live in nature. Does it always have a limit?

Bobo wrote:It seems that desire may be diminished and attachment may be suspended, suffering may be unavoidable.

As unavoidable as birth and death...

To all beings, you may call it the Will to power, it's never complete.

Nature is that same Will to power.

But can it still be called power if it's just a submitting to forces of nature? The spirit of genius might act here more as fruit, not as will. With that I mean that it's an end in and of itself. The starting point being already the arrival. What is there to will or desire?

>> When the cow goes against that, breaking the moult, getting 'unnatural", he might realize he's just a naked man crouching down on the field eating grass. He stands up and jumps the fence.

Normally, this cow was no normal cow by what you are saying for sur it was a genius of its kind, I wonder how many genius cows gets slaughtered with the other billions every year.

He can jump that fence but will end up in another kind of pasture with different kind of "final destiny". From the perspective of the herd, he might not be better off. Who knows, the cows might be content with a life of grass and a quick ending on the kill floor.

>> Only now he's fit to ask the question on what might be his nature.

He may question it, he also has to live it, and to live it he may think that he has to transform nature only to find that his nature is getting worse, maybe its better for him to transform his nature to live in nature. Does it always have a limit?

His nature was only one of questioning. There's no limit on that!

>> But can it still be called power if it's just a submitting to forces of nature?

The Will part is the part that prevails. It's still willing.


>> What is there to will or desire?

There's always something, even if it is prevalence. Or provolone, as the text corrector suggests.


>> Who knows, the cows might be content with a life of grass and a quick ending on the kill floor.

You catch no fish without a lure. The fishes are happy in water.


>> His nature was only one of questioning. There's no limit on that!

True that, he never changes his nature to unquestioning, the ultimate frontier or getting dumber.

Bobo wrote:>> But can it still be called power if it's just a submitting to forces of nature?

The Will part is the part that prevails. It's still willing. ... There's always something, even if it is prevalence. Or provolone, as the text corrector suggests.

Gravity wants to go down, then? It becomes more like poetry, speaking that way. There needs to be a difference, even just language wise, between commanding and obeying, between conscious and unconscious moving?

One way of saying it is that gravity is attraction, attraction and repulsion are close to desire. It's about establishing the ultimate reality. You may talk of a will without an object, the form of the formless, to distinguish from forms and formlessness.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Prejudice, predisposition, emotional reaction, past impressions, egoistic clinging, assumptions, presumptions, hearsay, idolization, conjecture, second hand 'knowledge', beliefs, opinions. Humanity. Almost no one (that I've ever come across, whether it be in person or their works in whatever format) displays that they care about wisdom or seeking it at all without falling into any or all of the above.

How does this not function as a belief, opinion, presumption, past impressions, emotional reaction, and prejudice?

The average man makes decisions based on ignorance, suffers the consequences of his ignorance, and does not know the only solution to his suffering is wisdom. He who is ignorant is unconscious, deluded, blinded, little better than an animal. "The fool sleeps as if he were already dead".

Ibid.

My advice to you: care more about wisdom than you do about anything else in the world, or you will never find a completion of it, and you will never be free.

Which wisdom, or whose? Or does this matter?