Re: What is consciousness?
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:41 pm
You could say independent of, if you don't mean unaffected by.movingalways wrote:How is the concept of "it has a consciousness that is its own" any different than the concept of "being independent of"?df: The Creating Universal One and Whole is not independent of its individual focuses, but it has a consciousness that is its own. It doesn't become aware of everything one thing at a time. Time only exists in physical reality; non-physically there is no time. It's all simultaneous.
It creates continuously. It didn't create infinitely in some past and now is discovering all that it created.But where does the having more and more come from except from that which "It" has already created? If you reason it through, you'll see that "having more" and "creating something" is a delusion, perhaps the granddaddy of all delusions. There is nothing more to have, but there is always more to discover.It grows by creating, not by discovering. It is the nature of everything to be and have more and more.
I may add something. It's like, there's an intuition of what there is to say, and of what there is to add, if anything. Sometimes there's an accessing of subjective reasoning, which is like your attention moving to a still but communicative dimension of mind, and then more words emerging.When you say that there's no need to add anything to what you're saying, are you saying that for the sake of clarity, at no time when you write or speak do you change what you've written or said?df: Right now as I type, words are flowing into my awareness. (Effort-fully typed) Now they've stopped. (Free-flowing) While waiting for something else to say, I am not thinking of what to say. There can be intellectualizing, but there's no need to add anything to what I'm saying.
It's just the way it is. Physical reality emerges from the non-physical. They're not the same. *shrug*You're caught in the dualism of subjectivity and objectivity, your vision of the non-physical and the physical.df: It's not my objective (conscious) choice whether to intellectualize or not. It just happens or it doesn't.
The way it works is you are not separate. Your "wise entity" leads you to information that it could provide itself, but it has no qualms about how it provides it. It's all one thing, ultimately, so whether you get it directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter.I have read some material from the website in your signature and believe I understand why, not from speculation, but from experience. I once was absorbed in channeled "non-physical-via-the-physical teachings" (books only, no groups or meetings or spreading of the teachings) particularly those of Seth and ? of The Course in Miracles. What caused me to stop was this question: why am I depending on someone else's wise entity - where, what for the love of god, was my own? In other words, I was ready to jettison second-hand wisdom for first-hand wisdom.
No.For the sake of clarity, are you Paul or Joanne Helfrich, the owners of the Elias Forum website?