Truth

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
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Re: Truth

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Yeah? Let's see! It follows then that there is no reason for you not to answer the question.

So, Dennis, what is the difference between dogmatism and insight?
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The answer is in the question.

The Buddha is questioned.
In 82,000 thousand ways it is answered:
the self lacks inherent existence.
there is no question.

Dogmatism and Insight do not exist under their own steam.
They do not possess selfhood; or somehow exist independent of a mind conferring significance upon.

They serve your purpose in this instance,
to what end?
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Re: Dread!

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Leyla Shen wrote:quoting:"So when it is related in Genesis that God said to Adam, “Only of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat,” it is a matter of course that Adam did not really understand this word. For how could he have understood the difference between good and evil, seeing that this distinction was in fact consequent upon the enjoyment of the fruit?"
There were actually two trees forbidden in the story, immortality being the other one. And do you need to understand about good and evil to obey an order from God? The story points to the doubt of the snake spreading. But a the better myth is from China:
  • Seeing that Chang'e felt extremely miserable over her loss of immortality, Houyi decided to journey on a long, perilous quest to find the Pill of Immortality so that the couple could be immortals again. At the end of his quest he met the Queen Mother of the West who agreed to give him the pill, but warned him that each person would only need half the pill to become immortal.

    Houyi brought the pill home and stored it in a case. He warned Chang'e not to open the case and then left home for a while. Chang'e became too curious: she opened up the case and found the pill just as Houyi was returning home. Nervous that Houyi would catch her discovering the contents of the case, she accidentally swallowed the entire pill. She started to float into the sky because of the overdose. Although Houyi wanted to shoot her in order to prevent her from floating further, he could not bear to aim the arrow at her. Chang'e kept on floating until she landed on the Moon.

    While she became lonely on the Moon without her husband, she did have company. A jade rabbit, who manufactured elixirs, also lived on the Moon.
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Re: Truth

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The answer is in the question.
Been there, done that.
The Buddha is questioned.
In 82,000 thousand ways it is answered:
the self lacks inherent existence.
there is no question.

Dogmatism and Insight do not exist under their own steam.
They do not possess selfhood; or somehow exist independent of a mind conferring significance upon.

They serve your purpose in this instance,
to what end?
It's really simple, Dennis: I would like to know whether or not your non-inherently existing self can provide a non-inherently existing insight into the difference between non-inherently existing dogmatism and non-inherently existing insight.

Of course, your non-inherent self cannot to do anything but remain submerged in its non-inherently existing true nature of experience that is not only indescribable beauty, but altogether indiscernible (non-inherently, naturally).
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Re: Truth

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Did you say something, Diebert?
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Re: Truth

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Dogmatism is a term that refers to something else.
as is insight.
umbrella terms.
insisting noun-ness on these falls off the pace.
activities or events works.

being umbrella terms implies a collection of parts.
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Re: Truth

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Yes, it's what the word "dogmatics" turns into after it's been subjected to so much tedium...

And the difference is?
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Re: Truth

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Tedium is a mood.
affectivity.
not in the ballpark.
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What do they mean?
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Re: Truth

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Come on, Dennis! Why so afraid of meaning?
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Re: Truth

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You provide the meaning.
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Well, go on then!

Let go of dread and the soothing tedium, and provide some.
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So, we are exploring the domain:
Shen's Complaint.

chick flick!
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It's like an orgasm Leyla......you provide the meaning...geddit ?

There's nothing to get....like the orgasm....meaningless....empty.....yet full of potential...
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Yes, I think so -- I think I get it now. Correct view according to the genitals.
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Anti-climax

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Which means Dennis is impotent!
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Yes... but he could of tried harder to satisfy your needs :)
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Do you think The Big Bang is like the Universe having an orgasm ?
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Metaphor

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When a question's meaning is equivalent to a sexual proposition, yes -- I'm sure that follows.
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Re: Truth

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Life's just one big orgasm. Instant enlightenment!
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Re: Truth

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You are providing meaning.
enrolled in a concept (dare I say dogmatic)

The meaning maker is the interest.
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Re: Truth

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What is the difference between dogmatism and insight, Dennis?

Now, since it should be obvious that I am asking you to provide the meaning, that's the last time I will address you unless you do so.

I am not interested in having sex with you, or Kunga (as much as this might surprise you both). I'll let you both carry on with it between yourselves, as your needs constantly dictate.
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Re: Truth

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They are empty of inherent existence.
that is their nature.
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