Male and female, mythic and metaphysical dimensions

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Male and female, mythic and metaphysical dimensions

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Male and female descend to us from Supreme Reality. The male principle proceeds from the Heavenly Father--Order, Truth, Necessity, Subjectivity (hence Objective in orientation). The female principle proceeds from Infinitude, the vacuum of unactualised potentiality and boundless possibility. Infinitude is hydraheaded Mother Chaos surrounded by the daughters of illusion--in Biblical terms, the "nothing" from which God "made" the world. The world of demonic pseudo-realities.

Christ is the incarnation of God the Father, whilst the "earth" (matter) is the manifestation of the female principle in subjugation to the male, a portion of the infinite darkness ("nothing") conquered by omnipotent light (Necessary Being) and thus transformed into Dependent Being. In other words, the Heavenly Father actualises existence by 'observing' portions of possibility 'within his mind', loosely speaking: we experience this as existence.

Evil is also of Infinitude, but the female principle itself is not evil for it is sanctified by God the Father by the observation act; 'nothing' is conquered; phallus-light penetrates vagīna-abyss. Female nothing-infinitude, in God's light, transforms into Beauty, divine Mercy, the Holy Ghost, virgin Nature. Outside of God, the female essence is Chaos, prostitute, evil and darkness. Lilith, Adam's demonic mistress who came from the "night", is exterminated by God, Eve is created from man, transgresses but is reborn as Mary (which could mean, if the pattern holds, that Christ is the earthly son of Satan by Eve and the serpent, just as Mary is the earthly daugher of Adam; but this is speculation).
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Urizen wrote:Male and female descend to us from Supreme Reality. The male principle proceeds from the Heavenly Father--Order, Truth, Necessity, Subjectivity (hence Objective in orientation). The female principle proceeds from Infinitude, the vacuum of unactualised potentiality and boundless possibility. Infinitude is hydraheaded Mother Chaos surrounded by the daughters of illusion--in Biblical terms, the "nothing" from which God "made" the world. The world of demonic pseudo-realities.
Right and as you noted elsewhere it's not about the annihilation of the feminine (which is not a principle - out of principle) simply because that would not be possible. How to "undo" that vacuum of unactualized potentials? How to throw chaos into disarray? However what should be clear is that, by definition, the male - as principle - can be annihilated. Any order can and will fall into disorder, truth will be subverted and directions can be turned around. It's always the masculine that needs to be on guard as it can fall way easier than it rises again, it can be undone far more easily than it can be found and bound when it left.

This part of dualism: the particular dynamics of [any] thought, consciousness, understanding and reason arising, what exactly would give rise to them and how they fall away again, that's all crucial to understand. To understand how they must fall is the easy part or how they are undone by the dualism they have created should be not difficult to see. But the bigger secret is how the rise itself works: we know what conquers it and what is being conquered but what fuels the proceeding of principles? It might not be enough to claim spontaneous or random behavior here. Neither does "god" suffices as he starts where our understanding or ability to express stops. At the very least it must be something "self-sustaining"?
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Diebert van Rhijn wrote:But the bigger secret is how the rise itself works: we know what conquers it and what is being conquered but what fuels the proceeding of principles?

My first thought on this was "opposites attract", positive/negative....it's all over the universe....basic stuff...then i found this :

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb04.htm
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Kunga wrote:
Diebert van Rhijn wrote:But the bigger secret is how the rise itself works: we know what conquers it and what is being conquered but what fuels the proceeding of principles?
My first thought on this was "opposites attract", positive/negative....it's all over the universe....basic stuff...then i found this :

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb04.htm
But already at the start that steps over the issue with a classic "all is mind". Just to invoke some "spirit" which is unknowable and undefinable is the same as invoking any old god of active force. Now I do understand the idea of everything already "being there" but think about growing stuff in your garden. Yes, the planet and probably universe is full of life but that doesn't tell you if anything will grow in that garden of yours. The knowledge of how to seed and harvest remains necessary as "order" of nature itself. This order can be described by scientific principles, biology and such but we could also talk about metaphysical principles, to engage to the proper story and essentials to order our thought and our whole sphere of action around. This can only be done by principles, not just with facts. And I think it can only be done by engaging in philosophy and to some extent through art and cultural infusion.
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Diebert van Rhijn wrote:But the bigger secret is how the rise itself works: we know what conquers it and what is being conquered but what fuels the proceeding of principles?
There are several ways of putting the answer. If one has a metaphysical turn of mind, we may say that the 'movement' of the original Principle is 'fueled' by its own distinction from its absence: its self-sufficiency, hence infinity, must by necessity embrace the possibility of its negation, while the negation in turn is negated by the necessity of the negation--for necessity is none other than the negated principle itself. The possibility of the negation 'creates' the Primary Dualism which generates all lesser principles, with their corresponding negations. (If this is not understood, it is not because it lacks meaning or clarity, but because one is not habituated to thinking in pure abstractions, or lacks intuitive insight. This is not directed to you but to those who immedistely declare 'bullshit' of anything they can't understand, especially if it be of a metaphysical nature. This sort of mentality also tends to consider mytholology as 'made up'. In both cases they only demonstrate an inability to see anything beyond the symbol, which is due to their lack of intuition.)

An analogy may serve to illustrate. Imagine two mirrors facing each other, one Principle and the other Negation, creating an endless series of lesser images. The 'fueling' of the principle can be understood as simply the self-reflective activity of the principle as proceeding through a series of intermediate degrees of 'principiality' before at last manifesting itself in the world as the distant reflection of the prototypal image (Eden or Golden Age, itself only a reflection, is the 'first' image of our world in this series of reflections--we are a more distant reflection of that world). Dualism (=Causation) is the reflection of the principle in its negation. To ask why this movement goes forward, is like asking why can't a triangle have four sides instead of three. Movement is intrinsic to dualism,which ultimately originates in the (nondual) Absolute's 'knowledge' (to speak loosely) of all possibilities, which must of course include the possibility of Its negation.

If we look at the mythic side, we may see that in separating the light from the darkness, God is 'imagining' the possibility of evil. He 'saw that it was 'good': not evil as good, for it is the absence of good, but the good/evil dualism is good. Which means, metaphysically considered, that the contrarity of Principle-Negation is itself a principle, and therefore negation must yield to principle, which is nullified only in appearance. Therefore, Ultimatem Reality is necessarily good; it is not, as sometimes imagined, pure negation or nothingness.
Diebert van Rhijn wrote: However what should be clear is that, by definition, the male - as principle - can be annihilated. Any order can and will fall into disorder, truth will be subverted and directions can be turned around. It's always the masculine that needs to be on guard as it can fall way easier than it rises again, it can be undone far more easily than it can be found and bound when it left.
Disorder does not annihilate order as a principle, it only negates its manifeststion. Disorder proves order as a principle from which manifestations can deviate, while order itself is unaffected by its absence. Disorder is not a principle sufficient to itself, but is defined as a deviation from a principle. Pure disorder is never reached; there is no disorder without some reflection of order, even if the order is nothing but existence itself, which allows disorder to take place. Order - as a principle - is conceivable without disorder.
Neither does "god" suffices as he starts where our understanding or ability to express stops. At the very least it must be something "self-sustaining"?
God is nothing less than Principle itself: the 'positive' of all dualities: male, truth, goodness, being, active, etc. Not this or that principle, but Principle itself, the Principle underlying all principles. That from which existence is a deviation.
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