The question of death

[Dennis Mahar]

You just did it.

[Kunga]

You just did it.

an illusion did something ?

[Dennis Mahar]

apparently

[Kunga]

row, row, row your boat......life is but a wet dream....

[Dennis Mahar]

a life is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury that signifies nothing.
When it's all said and done.

[Kunga]

endless love...

[Dennis Mahar]

a possibility for detachment when the grieving is done.
When the baggage is set aside.
freedom.

[Kunga]

today i cried...
so hard
crossing the bridge
of frozen water

now i laugh
so hard
i cry

[SeekerOfWisdom]

There is no possibility for freedom believing in samsaric illusion.

There is no possibility for freedom believing in samsaric illusion.

Since your attention invariably focuses on how Dennis has been making you suffer for months, and since shifting the energy of your focus to other topics is not yet within capacity, then instead of trolling up legitimate threads with distractions from the thread topic, you may want to start a new thread about your topic.

Sure I'll start one about that, you start another about cow whisperers and we'll meet back here at 6.

And I thought suffering didn't exist?

It looks like a winner to him that sets up a payoff,

Hence samsara is recognised as nirvana.

Being is always/already pure, uncontaminated and a priori to house of language predicates.

I have no problem with what you have written.

It's the other phrases which do not work next to each other.
You could re-phrase and write "suffer until they recognize" or "only think that they suffer but actually do not".
Or just say you don't ever suffer, but as Dan suggested, you can't use the term "married bachelor" and have it make sense.

It is "married bachelor" to write suffering is optional followed by suffering never occurred.

Seeker, the real you never suffers, and never will

Agreed. Since suffering is impermanent, "nothing happened", or just an appearance.

I'm talking about delusion, ignorance, and false notions, whether it is due to my reception or your transmission, it appears that you are writing there is no such thing as delusion and ignorance. (For example, the delusion that leads one to believe they are suffering)

Let me know if this is only originating in my reception, or if you do actually mean there is no such thing as delusional notions like "I am suffering".

If you lock your girlfriend and your dog in the boot of your car for 3 days.
After 3 days let them out.
Your dog will wag its tail and jump for joy to see you.
The girlfriend will try to kill you.

There is no possibility for freedom in a girlfriend.

There is no possibility for freedom believing in samsaric illusion.

There is nothing else but "samsaric illusion"/appearance.

You seem to imply there is something else, some I which 'believes' or takes the option not to believe.

That "option" is "samsaric illusion"/appearance. ('Nothing happened')

There is reality/experience/existence, "you" are not in control of it. This is what you have to clarify, so far on this point you have only been more and more unclear.

[Dennis Mahar]

We are Tool-Being.
Functionality.
Used by date.
Imputing minds generating environment, bodies, pleasures, sorrows, activities.

You can't be generous unless it hurts.

[SeekerOfWisdom]

Was that a quick reply (if so, it wasn't very clear) or did we just post at the same time?

[Kunga]

did you climax ?

[SeekerOfWisdom]

If you weren't so constantly contradictory, the things you say would make more sense...

"There's no right/wrong, broken, good/bad...."

"You're evil"

It appears blatantly contradictory and illogical when you constantly do it.

[Dennis Mahar]

did you climax ?

a chain of reasoning graduating step by step to a peak intensity or a conclusion that cannot be escaped.

to hand your self over is an act of generosity that hurts.
what are you protecting?

[Dennis Mahar]

seeker,
there's a conventionally moded mind that imputes inherent existence on cars, people, houses etc...(gross mind)
there's an emptiness mind that recognises that ultimately form is empty, arises out of causes/conditions (subtle mind)
there's a very subtle mind that realises empty is empty or void.

nothing exists absolutely.
groundless,
all is imputed.
magical play of the mind.

it's empty and meaningless that it's empty and meaningless,
you provide the meaning or the conditioning showing up as you does.

[Cahoot]

Bo sets transmitter to absolute, Gus sets receiver to relative.

Bo sets transmitter to relative, Gus sets receiver to absolute.

Tinkering forever, and ever.

When the writer don’t write
... the listener don’t listen
… the seeker don’t seek
… the dying don’t die
… the sufferer don’t suffer
… what is, is not
Then somehow
Concerns over contradictions pop up

Bo and Gus become a twofer.

[Dennis Mahar]

You actually void every night.
The gross mind conks out.
The dreaming mind conks out.
void mind arises,
The healing happens there,
get plenty of rest.

[TheImmanent]

Three demonstrations may be meditated upon in order to understand your supreme blessing.

(i) Memory is a demonstration of the insubstantiality of relative things. It shows how things arise and cease, come and go, take form and change form. Yesterday has given way to today. This is a demonstration that they are not truly things, but impermanent, interdependent, like shadows on the wall: conceptual natures of what is a true thing. Contrasts can be discerned, but they are not things in themselves.

(ii) Suffering is a demonstration of the insubstantiality of the ego-identity. Since suffering consists in the conception of lack, this demonstrates the non-nature of the ego-identity, i.e., it is but a conglomeration of confused ideas that depend on the misconception of relative things as things-in-themselves in order to be believed.

(iii) Thought is a demonstration of essence. The thing that is a thing cannot be concretely divided, since it exists by its own definition and is not relative. Thus everything that can be discerned, can only be understood to be conceptually separate from it, and not actually separate (interaction is a demonstration of inclusion, not separation). Since we may observe that thought is an actual thing, self-defined and self-evident, we may conclude that it exists as infinite, since nothing at all may impose a concrete limitation upon it (concrete limitation is a non-essence, an impossible definition). We may also conclude that the ”I” in the conceptual mind is the same as the ”I” in the infinite mind, which also contains the conceptual mind as an idea of itself understood under limitations. Thus an infinite array of forms can be conceived, but there is only one essence.

This essence is you, dwelling in your infinite aspect, your own perfection and purity. Pristine bliss is yours, and not by any coincidence; for you exist by your own necessity, worthy-by-nature.

[Kunga]

to hand your self over is an act of generosity that hurts.
what are you protecting?

if giving hurts...you're not giving with an open hand...

[Dennis Mahar]

The Inquiry is the search for inherent existence.

whatever shows up,
not that, not that, not that,

what is left is the presence of the negator.

How does the negator exist?
Dependent arising.
because it needs stuff to negate.
Dependent arising is totally positive, affirmative.


Other than that,
ineffable silence.

[SeekerOfWisdom]

You actually void every night.
The gross mind conks out.
The dreaming mind conks out.
void mind arises,
The healing happens there,
get plenty of rest.

Great. Void mind being unconscious of things.

[Dennis Mahar]

I've seen truly enturbulated minds on fire sleep so peacefully they look like angels 'til the gross mind shows up again. Look out!

[SeekerOfWisdom]

Yeah. At least everyone gets that peace.

Though I still think all of this is a bit contradictory next to "That's evil", or your response to me suggesting plenty of rest a while ago. Also confused as to how you could know gross mind remains constant for you, fullstop. Logically it appears that one could experience "mind on fire" continuously and not know of another possibility.

[Dennis Mahar]

a storm driven churning ocean and a placid lake are both water.

[TheImmanent]

The Inquiry is the search for inherent existence.

whatever shows up,
not that, not that, not that,

what is left is the presence of the negator.

How does the negator exist?
Dependent arising.
because it needs stuff to negate.
Dependent arising is totally positive, affirmative.

Nothing can be said to exist by dependent arising. A process is not a thing, just a conceptual measure — and dependent arising is nothing but process. Thus there is nothing to negate to begin with; there is no negator. But there is something that understands, and this understanding does not arise and cease with form – which, as noted, are not things. This is the positive, the affirmative.

But it is axiomatic that the positive is and the negative is not, thus the idea that the existence we experience is rooted in a self-negating negator rather than a self-affirming essence is, to my limited mind at least, to conceive things backwards. For there is nothing that needs something else.