The question of death

[Dennis Mahar]

The imputing mind generates dualities such as production/ destruction and singularity/polarity.
these don't actually exist.
Play of the mind.
The imputing mind is Tool-Being for generating environment, bodies, sorrows, pleasures, activities.
Pretty cool huh?
wonderful.
display.

[TheImmanent]

The imputing mind generates dualities such as production/ destruction and singularity/polarity.
these don't actually exist.
Play of the mind.
The imputing mind is Tool-Being for generating environment, bodies, sorrows, pleasures, activities.
Pretty cool huh?
wonderful.
display.

A demonstration of essence.

[Dennis Mahar]

A demonstration of essence.

inferential cogniser making leaps of faith all along the watchtower.
everything is imputed.

enlightened being is imputed on emptiness/bliss.
imagine that for calling up direct experience.

the act of negation is the use of deduction to uncover what has been inferred.
strips it away
the emporer has no clothes.
bliss.

[Dennis Mahar]

What is is the spirit of mind.

chatting about gender is, well, chatting about gender.
you know, an obsession.

[TheImmanent]

A demonstration of essence.

inferential cogniser making leaps of faith all along the watchtower.
everything is imputed.

enlightened being is imputed on emptiness/bliss.
imagine that for calling up direct experience.

the act of negation is the use of deduction to uncover what has been inferred.
strips it away
the emporer has no clothes.
bliss.

Emptiness is a word.

But there is bliss in essence.

What is is the spirit of mind.

Essence is known through being, but if it is to be put to words: it is the all-attractive one who lies behind every desire, the true nature and the prize, who is sought for in the wild goose-chase for the ego-identity's fulfillment. For essence is that which is, and every attempt at fulfillment is an attempt to affirm that which is. The ego-identity is empty, enlightened being is self-illuminated.

[Dennis Mahar]

Emptiness is a word.

It has an observation as basis for designation.
If I put a tomato seed in my pocket and keep it there I won't get a tomato.
If I put the seed in the ground in a sunny locale and water it there's a tomato coming for me.

causes/conditions.

[TheImmanent]

Emptiness is a word.

It has an observation as basis for designation.
If I put a tomato seed in my pocket and keep it there I won't get a tomato.
If I put the seed in the ground in a sunny locale and water it there's a tomato coming for me.

causes/conditions.

Emptiness has no other observation for its designation than the observation of something. It is a privation of knowledge; expect to get a tomato and get none and you feel short a tomato. There is no observation of emptiness. Just an observation that you do not have a tomato. Thus emptiness is no other definition than the definition of something positive being in the place of another positive; a glass in the place of a glass of water. A useful word when one speaks of relative things. But just a word.

[Dennis Mahar]

It's a tough job being a concept.
always the bridesmaid to the direct experience.

Hangin' out in a Thesaurus,
Well, you know, a little gratitude for the shot at it please.

[TheImmanent]

It's a tough job being a concept.
always the bridesmaid to the direct experience.

Hangin' out in a Thesaurus,
Well, you know, a little gratitude for the shot at it please.

For what it's worth.

[Dennis Mahar]

Reality is a seamless, indivisible, continuous spread and flow.
Is that what you intend by Infinite.

The distinction (meaningmaker) imputing mind,
splitting it up, discriminating, prejudicing, preferences, aversions.

these are empty.
conditional.

Thinking about thinking/language,
We have to take on concepts as beings because enrolment in a concept 'does' or generates and 'has' consequences.

[TheImmanent]

Reality is a seamless, indivisible, continuous spread and flow.
Is that what you intend by Infinite.

The distinction (meaningmaker) imputing mind,
splitting it up, discriminating, prejudicing, preferences, aversions.

these are empty.
conditional.

Yes, the glass is empty because it was supposed to hold water. And the distinction of the glass is empty, because it was supposed to be a thing. Emptiness is looking for essence in the wrong place.

Where is emptiness, in truth. Essence is empty of emptiness.

Not fair to essence, to call it empty.

[Cahoot]

Mundane definition
“Emptiness has no other observation for its designation than the observation of something. It is a privation of knowledge; expect to get a tomato and get none and you feel short a tomato. There is no observation of emptiness. Just an observation that you do not have a tomato. Thus emptiness is no other definition than the definition of something positive being in the place of another positive; a glass in the place of a glass of water. A useful word when one speaks of relative things. But just a word.”

Supramundane definition
Emptiness is the nature of reality. Reality has no intrinsic nature.

[TheImmanent]

Mundane definition
“Emptiness has no other observation for its designation than the observation of something. It is a privation of knowledge; expect to get a tomato and get none and you feel short a tomato. There is no observation of emptiness. Just an observation that you do not have a tomato. Thus emptiness is no other definition than the definition of something positive being in the place of another positive; a glass in the place of a glass of water. A useful word when one speaks of relative things. But just a word.”

Supramundane definition
Emptiness is the nature of reality. Reality has no intrinsic nature.

"Reality is empty, because it was supposed to be the world. Then I saw that the world changed, and thus that reality is empty."

But the world was never reality. Who told you so?

A word as nature. No intrinsic nature to what.

Be still and you will know that you are not a word, not nothing.

[Dennis Mahar]

Be still and you will know that you are not a word, not nothing.

That means 'keeping the fingers out of the machinery'.
a crafted response,
a derivative condition.
You can't refute emptiness.

[TheImmanent]

Be still and you will know that you are not a word, not nothing.

That means 'keeping the fingers out of the machinery'.
a crafted response,
a derivative condition.
You can't refute emptiness.

It's just a word. What am I to refute?

[Dennis Mahar]

Inherent existence

this lacks inherent existence:
Be still and whatever...

[TheImmanent]

Inherent existence

this lacks inherent existence:
Be still and whatever...

Inherent existence seems to disappear when one thinks that many things exist. One does not see the forest for all the trees, so to speak. In truth, there is no existence other than inherent existence; to say that something exists which does not exist inherently is merely to contradict oneself. There is only one essence, common to all "things", and which you know by direct experience when you are still. All appearances spring from this essence. Why call it emptiness? Emptiness is a word, and no appearances may spring from it.

[Dennis Mahar]

and which you know by direct experience when you are still.

you are saying there it depends.
what do they mean when they say 'time is of the essence'.

[Dennis Mahar]

careful,
there's a lot of grief locked up in time,
many a move was made in order to

[TheImmanent]

and which you know by direct experience when you are still.

you are saying there it depends.

Whether or not you are still, your essence remains the same. An opinion about the essence does not change the essence.

[Dennis Mahar]

An opinion about the essence does not change the essence.

What is it that has the possibility of forming an opinion about the essence?

[SeekerOfWisdom]

If Immanent were to be honest, he could just use the word reality instead of essence, because this "essence" isn't actually a thing, apparently just that which appearances arise 'in' or 'of'.

There is no difference between reality and...mind, existence,consciousness, appearances, essence, you. These could not be any different from reality.

Making all those words ultimately meaningless designations and distinctions. For example, trying to say a ring is different from gold.

That distinction "essence" is..ehhh....imputed and doesn't inherently exist...ehh... outlining the point of emptiness.

"ehh" is because Dennis says this often while implying otherwise... "subtle" and "gross" mind, "evil", "optional"... sounds like some classic meaning-making.

Just don't expect a response to those last quotes.

[TheImmanent]

An opinion about the essence does not change the essence.

What is it that has the possibility of forming an opinion about the essence?

Essence understood under conceptual limitations, of which there is an infinite array.

[TheImmanent]

There is no difference between reality and...mind, existence,consciousness, appearances, essence, you. These could not be any different from reality.

Then stop separating them. This is what you are doing by attributing them each a separate essence. You divide reality when there is only oneness.

[Dennis Mahar]

The Inquiry has been presented with dichotomous agendas over time:

essence precedes existence
existence precedes essence

different strokes, different folks.

Bliss and wonder goes so deep it doesn't seem to bottom out.
The whole bizzo is incredibly funny.

The guy with many masks at his own masquerade ball is a shout for joy.
nice party.

Send in the clowns.