What's the purpose of discussing enlightenment/reality?

[Leyla Shen]

Being and existence is the same thing.

[Dennis Mahar]

Incidentally,
Ron would call Capitalism/Marxism a postulate-counter postulate.
You know what kind of havoc that shit wreaks in your own mind let alone the World.


He calls ekstasis 'exteriorised', 3 feet back of your head.

[Leyla Shen]

Incidentally,
Ron would call Capitalism/Marxism a postulate-counter postulate.
You know what kind of havoc that shit wreaks in your own mind let alone the World.

Oh? Would you like to tell me why he put communism at 1.1 on the Tone Scale then? A counter-postulate of his own wreaking havoc on the (and I quote) "World"?

I am reminded also of the change to the second dynamic from "sex and family" to "creativity"; from memory, a notion now encompassing sex and family rather than... sex and family encompassing the totality of creativity?

It's far too simplistic. I haven't invested the time to make a thorough investigation into it, but my guess is that "communism" translates to "KGB". Though he didn't like the CIA at all either, there seems to be no relation between capitalism and the CIA. I think I'll dig up Science of Survival and see what he has to say about it.

[Dennis Mahar]

There's a guy, Harry Palmer who ran an Org for many years.
He broke away and set up his own show based in LRH tech.
It's called Avatar.
There are 3 courses.
avatar.....3 grand
wizard.....5 grand
master.....15

the avatar involves about 80 people and 10 or so coaches spending 9 days together.
The participants come out of it in pristine condition.
I don't know the curriculum and I think that course involves heavy duty TR training
TR's are your strong suit aren't they?

[Dennis Mahar]

CIA and KGB are games conditions,
independent auditors these days audit from the top down because Being is on every chain anyway.
Games conditions like 'wise mysogyny' and 'oppose, oppose, oppose' with all their justifiers can blow off quickly and easily, freeing up being.
the notion of decline as story collapses.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Nietzsche and Heidegger condemned the stupidity of logic/categorical thinking that came to dominate thru Plato and Aristotle.

Nietzsche only condemned thinking in terms of being and essence, things or humans "being" this or that and other atomic monstrosities. Bare logic works with equivalences which do not translate to reality: instead it works within a certain defined logical space. The stupidity forms when applying logic blindly to actual things or events, to thinking one figures "it" out that way. And by the way Heidegger is notorious for his awkward interpretation and reading of Nietzsche; it seemed completely alien to him (as it seems often alien to you).

They went to the presocratics who spoke of ekstasis, of the phenomenal experience of pure being:

No you or your idol is confused with Plotinus, a big time Planotic philosopher. Perhaps only "phenomenal experience"... and lets not forget how logical and categorical the older philosophies turned out to be whichever way we dig into the ancients. Check out the Persian, the Indo, the Egyptian... it seems the Greek just inherited it and revived and reformed the "stupidities" laying at the base of the ascend of human reason.

Heidegger attempts to show: Being is Time rather than Being in Time.

The problem of Heidegger is that he starts of with limiting "human experience" basically to self-reflection, the question of "I" as human being. But this question will never be answered (and Heidegger does not finish his work on it) because that work is never finished. Every sense of being is provisional like everything else. We could just as well talk about what is reality or death, or god. Our being is illusionary and contemporary (and "time" in that way but meaningless to assert since time becomes the new question). When understood correctly this means we can never say "being is ....". Because it's at that point being is asserted "as is" but one cannot attach it to something at all! In that sense time is just as illusionary unless as part of some physical or sociological model. Every age has its own notions here.

[Dennis Mahar]

Diebert,
Being is on every chain.

[Pam Seeback]

Dennis: Being has to exist prior to that understanding of Being.
An investigation into Being took place.

unconcealed.

Dennis: Diebert,
Being is on every chain.

Do you understand Being to be equivalent to the unconscious void and understanding of Being to be equivalent to consciousness? In other words, Being is both unconscious and conscious?

[Dennis Mahar]

Here in the midst of

[Pam Seeback]

So Being = consciousness.

[Dennis Mahar]

Here in the midst of

[Pam Seeback]

Here in the midst of consiousness we are spiritual midwives giving birth to the logos within. As spiritual midwives we elevate Woman to her righteous position as question to the answer of being.

[Dennis Mahar]

Hush,
here in the midst of
definitionless,
not a thing.
nothingness.

[Pam Seeback]

Hush,
here in the midst of
definitionless,
not a thing.
nothingness.

Definitionless is a temporary hushness so one can come to understand that there is an awareness wherein conditioned human definitions of good and evil do not exist. Everything exists here. Knowing the reason for being hushed (to find everything) is to find the pearl inside the oyster. The next step is to open the oyster's (protective) shell and set the pearl free. She has a voice and it is Logos.

[Dennis Mahar]

Getting organised to feel at-home?
Home Beautiful.
Dwelling in the Infinite.

The angst was really over nothing.
There was never a case for contraction, for withdrawal.

[Dennis Mahar]

The error in thinking that came down thru' aristotle and plato, pointed out by Heidegger, is that those dudes thought everything was quantifiable. Whether they intended that or not is beside the point, that's what is 'held' generally as the case.
So the domino's fall.

Infinite is not a quantity.

Being is an unspoken presence on every link of every chain of calculating mind.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Diebert,
Being is on every chain.

The only chain here is the one of your heavy convoluted base of philosophical sounding justifiers for living in your particular safe house. One of its fundamentals: proselytization.

[Dennis Mahar]

There it is!
the game condition:
oppose, oppose, oppose.
automatic way of Being :)

[Pam Seeback]

Being is an unspoken presence on every link of every chain of calculating mind.

You once told me that when you tell someone you love them, you mean it. Does not meaning it imply a total investment of being? Do you believe your words of love are of calculating mind?

It is illogical to conclude that being is not present in all of its things, including, and especially, its words.

[Dennis Mahar]

measure for measure your post is calculated Pam.


Investment of being?
like a stockmarket option?

When I say it I mean it, in that moment, it is right then and there, an event.
conditional.
ask again next week.

It is illogical to conclude that being is not present in all of its things, including, and especially, its words.

I said being is an unspoken presence, goes unrecognised, forgotten.
since beginningless time imputing mind has dominated.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

There it is! the game condition: oppose, oppose, oppose. Automatic way of Being :)

Opposing the automatic proselytizing, metastasizing and propagating ways of Ego. Which is all you know right now.

[Dennis Mahar]

You're acting out in conceptual domain aren't you?
Pot kettle black.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

You're acting out in conceptual domain aren't you?

There's no other domain possible here unless one is kidding oneself. The question is if one masters the concept or if some alien concepts are mastering you.

[Dennis Mahar]

That would be your opinion.
your position is habitually coming from I'm OK, You're Not OK.
It's a Games Conditions that runs you.
A critical parent thang.

What is 'this'
What is 'that'

both are running.

[Dennis Mahar]

Pam,
How about this?

Being is 'the Party'.
Dasein (being here) 'rager'
Where's the Party? (the World)

An event.

Dasein is thrown in and thrown out without choice.
Got lucky.