Qualities of a Spiritually Evolved Human

[Pam Seeback]

Hi Kunga,

movingalways wrote:
Knowledge is the life of wisdom.

Wisdom has no life. Compassion has life. :)

That's why Wisdom has to get a life :)

Example:

A library full of books, needs a human being, with a love of learning, to appreciate & read them.

There is no Wisdom without Compassion.

Was Hitler wise because he thought he had the correct knowledge to justify his murdering of millions of innocent people ?

Knowledge of being of infinite causes is in no way the same consciousness as Hitler's self-righteous prejudice toward his particular cause, or as you say it, the knowledge he thought he had. Where self exists, and Hitler was an example of mega-self, delusion reigns, and where delusion reigns, knowledge does not exist.

The life of wisdom, knowledge of being infinite in nature, is living knowledge of the totality of who one is. There is no wisdom without compassion, this is true, but being wise, one no longer identifies with compassion. It is as if it is understood, no need to speak of it except to teach of it.

[Kunga]

The life of wisdom, knowledge of being infinite in nature, is living knowledge of the totality of who one is. There is no wisdom without compassion, this is true, but being wise, one no longer identifies with compassion. It is as if it is understood, no need to speak of it except to teach of it.

Pama La :)

What's the difference between identifying oneself with wisdom or identifying oneself with compassion or identifying oneself with being wise ?

The Tao that can't be named, doesn't have an identity.

Only humans need to identify.

It's ignorant to think oneself as wise, knowledgeable, and compassionate .

The only thing we as humans, can do, is to have compassion, knowing there is no one to have compassion for !

LOL

[Dennis Mahar]

The term masculinity is an umbrella term because it is postulated on a set of attributes.

[Kunga]

The term masculinity is an umbrella term because it is postulated on a set of attributes.

Right, and logic & reason are (supposedly) attributes masculinity. Which, to me is ridiculous*, because I am feminine and also have those characteristics imbedded in my personality/mind/brain [masculinity].

I am both masculine and feminine .
As are all males and females.
Hormones, are what makes both male & female humans, bio(logically).

*It's ridiculous to say females can't be logical or use reason.

[Dennis Mahar]

Logical analysis in short supply
Golden mountains proliferate.
meaning maker.

[Kunga]

Bliss, is all that's left then......right ?

[Dennis Mahar]

Shhh.
Somebody might be listening.

[Kunga]

The Silent Screamer :)

[Kunga]

"...in a state of mind in which all violence has come to an end there is a joy "

~Kirshnamurti

[Dennis Mahar]

(:

duck!
Things are gonna go apeshit for a bit.

[Kunga]

(:

duck!
Things are gonna go apeshit for a bit.

LOL, what's new pussy cat ?

This is a wonderful read :

http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamur ... d=56789&w=&

[Kunga]

"Poverty becomes a marvellously beautiful thing when the mind is free of society. One must become poor inwardly for then there is no seeking, no asking, no desire, no - nothing! It is only this inward poverty that can see the truth of a life in which there is no conflict at all. Such a life is a benediction not to be found in any church or any temple."

~Kirshnamurti


Bliss

[Kunga]

"How is it possible then to free ourselves from the psychological structure of society, which is to free ourselves from the essence of conflict? It is not difficult to trim and lop off certain branches of conflict, but we are asking ourselves whether it is possible to live in complete inward and therefore outward tranquillity? Which does not mean that we shall vegetate or stagnate. On the contrary, we shall become dynamic, vital, full of energy."

~Kirshnamurti


Bliss

[Cahoot]

Bliss is free-flowing energy.
Low energy, low awareness.
Energy balances the sadness inherent to life and allows bliss.
Insights are just icing.

[Dennis Mahar]

Word enrolment.

pathos
tragic
victim
poor me
story

sorry, nobody here.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Wisdom has no life. Compassion has life. :)

Translation: you want to feel something, exist within that feeling and pity keeps giving it to you!

Was Hitler wise because he thought he had the correct knowledge to justify his murdering of millions of innocent people ?

Europe desired its wars in exactly the same way as it desired peace or justice. You have to understand it's not hard becoming a Hitler or Churchill.

There's always a justification for murdering millions of innocent truths to keep the attachments alive. Some call that life, others call it death.

[Cahoot]

Word enrolment.

pathos
tragic
victim
poor me
story

sorry, nobody here.

That’s true, and part of it. The world's indifference is just as it is. Realizing this in your bones removes the malice from chopping wood, carrying water, and the conflicts of clashing interests.

[Pam Seeback]

Pam,
The direct experience of emptiness is a flash of insight when thought processes shut down and your whole life is realised.

every move you made.

the jigsaw pieces come together

Every move you made

the entire web of interaction exposed and brought to light.

the chain of being laid out before you

an event,
You will experience this at the point of death anyway.

this ceases, that ceases
this arises, that arises

you don't amount to anything.

every move you made in order to

an explosion of love for being.

At the point of death one experiences the entire view of dependent arising as an explosion of love for being only if one cannot hold their consciousness on point of the clear light of one's infinite causing nature. In order to do that, one must be able to stand firm on their unmoving, non-flowing consciousness, something that if they haven't done during their current lifetime will cause the clear light to flash by in the blink of an eye with rebirth being the logical effect.

Your mood of bliss is a good-feeling realm, no arguments. Upon your death, if you do not move beyond this pleasure realm, you will re-open your eyes in a good-feeling realm. And if you remain there for your prescribed natural life, you will, upon its moment of death, again re-open your eyes in good feeling realm. At some point in your causal continuum of feeling-good you will become sick and tired of feeling-good and it will become as poison. Kinda like eating chocolate until you puke. Is this absolute truth? No, it is the metaphysical version of "what goes up must come down," the kammic law of "what flows out must come back."

Dennis Mahar wrote:
Word enrolment.

pathos
tragic
victim
poor me
story

sorry, nobody here.

Then why is nobody so busy making a somebody?

If flowing-out feels so good, why does it stop to experience feelings of victim, malice and abuse? And Kunga, if you care to answer, I ask you the same question.

[Kunga]

Pam, I will respond tonight, as I don't have time now....

[Cahoot]

If flowing-out feels so good, why does it stop to experience feelings of victim, malice and abuse?

Because it gets tired of, disillusioned with, its shiny new bliss thing when faith in shallow and childish feel-good insufficiently insulates it from all that does not fit with the faith.

Victim, malice, and abuse imply two. A division there. Bliss does not.

[Pam Seeback]

movingalways: If flowing-out feels so good, why does it stop to experience feelings of victim, malice and abuse?

Because it gets tired of, disillusioned with, its shiny new bliss thing when faith in shallow and childish feel-good insufficiently insulates it from all that does not fit with the faith.

Victim, malice, and abuse imply two. A division there. Bliss does not.

Bliss has no authority to dissolve the ignorance of making two, only the understanding of how two is made and of how to stop making two, wisdom of making the two one, has this authority. Feelings come and go: suffering. Only one remedy, the (gradual) cessation of feelings coming and going, the "walk" of wisdom.

UG speaks of love while manifesting crankiness and irritation. He is a perfect example of the effects of being stuck in the feeling realm of bi-polar bliss.

[Dennis Mahar]

Logic is in order to for the sake of.
masculinity is an umbrella term postulated on a set of attributes.
it is not any one of those attributes nor is it independent of those attributes.
The gross mind takes pieces/parts and gestalts wholes and assigns them a name.
the pieces/parts can be similarly be found to be names based on a set of attributes.

names and form

Gather enough names and form and a story is constructed out of nothing.

reality is an undivided seamless whole split up by mind in order to for the sake of

magician. Mental trick.

once you get the hang of it bliss is easily generated because there's no need to fall into intrpretations dreamed up by others.

know yourself meaning maker.

thus buddha taught bliss, the eradication of suffering.
all that exists depends
relative, relative, relative.
nothing exists absolutely.

the left hand has to know what the right hand is doing in order to skip happily along.
inherent existence cannot be found dreamer.

[Pam Seeback]

thus buddha taught bliss, the eradication of suffering.

Can you show us these bliss = eradication of suffering teachings of the Buddha?

[Dennis Mahar]

In order to for the sake of?
(:

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Feelings come and go: suffering. Only one remedy, the (gradual) cessation of feelings coming and going

But this will never happen or not in any general sense: thoughts like feelings come and go like a heart beat. Once that stops, they all would stop. Some even practice on this but that has little to do with wisdom. Of course the nature of thought and feeling does change profoundly but cessation is ultimately more about the "ignorance factory" which lies at the base of our experiencing but does not equal those experiences or our eventual responding. Ultimately nobody can undo cause and effect. So Pam, when you want to pull the root out or extinguish the fire: use the scalpel, not the butcher's knife. At times your writing appears as strong opposition to an (unknown) set of experiences, linked to your own suffering. And perhaps this cannot be avoided but it can be understood.

UG speaks of love while manifesting crankiness and irritation. He is a perfect example of the effects of being stuck in the feeling realm of bi-polar bliss.

He took it as far as he was capable of. Like Ramana Maharshi replied to him in the earlier years: "I can give it, but can you take it?". That question looms large over the rest of his fascinating approaches.