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1) Integrity: One of the greatest pitfalls of humanity is the over grown mind, which is a fragmentary instrument. How that which is fragmentary, can ever lead you to integrity? As long as one lives as a slave of this fragmentary thought-memory-mind, the quality called integrity is never available. Integrity is the qualitative outcome of the integral being. The integration happens only if the fragmentation is no more. This is possible only when this mind, which is the bundle of thoughts, emotions, memory & fears, is transcended. As the spontaneous outcome of this integrated wholeness, quality called integrity arises. A real spiritually evolved human is the one who is firmly rooted in this kind of integrity, which is very rare.

2) Awareness: Most of the time when we talk about awareness, it is always about something. e.g. social awareness, computer awareness and so on. But what about the awareness of awareness itself? For that one has to become aware of one's body as a first step. If you do so, you will become aware of your gestures, movements and so on. If you go little deeper in silence, by observing your breath, you will able to listen to your heartbeats. If you carry it further, in the second step you can watch your thoughts in an aloof manner as an observer. If it becomes even subtler, the third step is to see the deep-rooted feelings & subtlest emotions. Now if you remain vigilant of all these three steps simultaneously, for longer duration and wait without expectations, the fourth state of becoming aware of awareness happens on its own accord. This is the quality called," awareness of the awakened one", we are talking about. A real spiritual person carries this relaxed multi-dimensional awareness all the time. The quality which is timeless in itself. It's eternal.

3) Non-attachment: Our attachment to our Body, Thoughts, emotions and ideas is so much that it is very difficult to understand the meaning of "Non-attachment" from the view point of the awakened one. A spiritual master is fully aware of his body, thoughts, emotions & ideas but is simply unattached to it, like the lotus in the pond is very much in the mud but it still remains untouched by all that is around it! A Buddha also has his body-mind and he has to take care of it. But it is only functional. He is not the part of the power game of the mind. He is simply a dropout!

4) Silence: We are conditioned by our educational system to understand the word silence as the absence of speech. Or at the most we understand it as the silence of the dead man. But real silence is totally different phenomena! It is not just the absence of speech and the chattering mind but it's vibrant and has the quality of dynamicity or effervescence. It's alive and throbbing, which can be felt by the sensitive ones who go near the awakened one. By being in the energy field of the awakened one, it's possible to experience this silence. It is like, if you go near the flower, you get the fragrance! The fragrance belongs to flower, the silence belongs to Buddha. You may get the glimpse of it but ultimately everyone has to work for it on one's own! The borrowed silence doesn't last long! To be awakened to this effervescent silence is the birth right of everyone and it is not the monopoly of the few selected ones.

5) Love: This is another word, which is most misused and misunderstood. Our love for car or a pet dog or a relative is just the attachment, which is the part of our social conditioning. "Making love" means sex! It's simply physical! Few talk of love in the platonic sense, but that too is the glorification of the non-physical aspect of it. The real love is overflowing joy of the ego-less being! As long as the fictitious identification with body/mind is there, the love exists not. If you ask sun about darkness, it knows nothing about it, so also this purest quality called love can never co-exist with ego. Eradication of the subtlest ego is the primary requirement to understand and experience love. A real spiritual master is a one who is absolutely egoless. Love oozes out of such a person like water flows out of a fountain! It is unconditional and it is available to all.

6) Compassion: Passion is the quality of body-mind, compassion is the quality of mind-less-ness. A passionate person is full of desires and hence gripped by the unawareness. A compassionate Buddha is rooted into the desirelessness and the awareness. Passion is the fever of the body-mind, while compassion is the purest form of love plus meditation. Compassion is neither the duty nor the psychological love. It's neither sympathy nor empathy. Compassion is the quality that comes from beyond the thought-mind! A real compassionate spiritual master is a one who gives without giving. It's a kind of unconditional sharing! A saint, a criminal and a prostitute, all are equal when it comes to the sharing of such a master!

7) Innocence: Look into the wondrous eyes of the child whose mind is not yet polluted by parents & society and you will understand the quality called innocence. The awakened one is as innocent as child, but with one difference. A child is unaware of it while an awakened one is absolutely rooted in the awareness. When such a person laughs in his child-like innocence, the entire existence participates in it! The presence of such a person on earth is the blessing unto existence. To reclaim that lost innocence, it is necessary to be born again. With this new spiritual birth, one becomes incorruptible. All that is done by the society is undone in the awareness. To regain this innocence is the real maturity, the ultimate flowering.

8) Courage: One thing that differentiates courageous from cowardice is that a coward goes by his fears while a courageous one puts aside all his fears and is ready to jump into the unknown. When one carries this courage in every situation in life to face the unknown, it ultimately flowers into the fearlessness. The spiritually awakened person is rooted firmly in this fearlessness and hence even death can not touch him. How can the death touch that which is deathless?

9) Friendliness: A real spiritual person does not behave like a Guru to anybody, as he is not on any Gurudom trip! So there is no Guru & there are no disciples. Only friends. Friendship is like relationship. It has it's own limitations like expectations etc. Whereas Friendliness is a quality. It's a state of being. The awakened one carries this feeling of friendliness for everyone and everything around. Friendliness is a quality in which arises the freedom. Freedom is not just opposite of possessive-ness but it is a dimensionally different phenomenon. It simply allows everything to happen around the master with love overflowing.

10) Humor: A real spiritual person is definitely not the one with the most serious looks and a long face. On the contrary, an awakened one has the great sense of humor. At times, even mischievous! Only such a person can laugh at oneself. He laughs at the absurdity of the mind itself! For such a person, life is an everyday picnic! It's a celebration! These are the people who enjoy life because the hindrance to joy from the thought-mind is not there. When the achievement-oriented mind is transcended, the becoming gets transformed into being. A person rooted in his beingness shares it with humor to others around! When the struggle of the thought-mind ends, the humor arises on its own accord!

11) Humility: Learning from nature is one of the best ways to learn. Observe a Mango tree. Its branches move outward & upward, but when it's laden with fruits, the tree bows down in humility. So also the spiritually evolved person becomes humble & simple. An awakened one is not the storehouse of the borrowed informative knowledge but he remains always in the state of not knowing, which is the most humble state of being.

12) Acceptance: In the highest state of choice-less awareness everything is accepted as it is. Likes and dislikes are no hindrance to it as it is beyond both. It's a state of non-judgmental witness. If everything in existence that life offers is accepted as it is, the life becomes a celebration unto itself. Unconditional acceptance of all that is there in the existence is the most virtuous and aesthetic quality of evolved human consciousness.

13) Maturity: A mature person is a one who always lives in the present moment. Present moment is not the same as present. Past, present and future is the continuation of time. To be in the present moment is to be in the eternal nowness. In the depths of silence, if one remains aware and vigilant, the ego disappears. Self-realization is the realization of the self without the ego. When mind is no more, meditation happens. When ego is no more, maturity happens. Maturity is the ultimate flowering of Meditation.
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Kunga, copy paste that? Or is it another attempt to prove yourself?
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Here is a down-to-earth simple translation of P.C. spirituality, which you will often find on Self-Help bookshelves. I have highlighted the key points for your ease of reading.

Kunga wrote:1) Integrity: One of the greatest pitfalls of humanity is the over grown mind, which is a fragmentary instrument. How that which is fragmentary, can ever lead you to integrity? As long as one lives as a slave of this fragmentary thought-memory-mind, the quality called integrity is never available. Integrity is the qualitative outcome of the integral being. The integration happens only if the fragmentation is no more. This is possible only when this mind, which is the bundle of thoughts, emotions, memory & fears, is transcended. As the spontaneous outcome of this integrated wholeness, quality called integrity arises. A real spiritually evolved human is the one who is firmly rooted in this kind of integrity, which is very rare.
Note the bold text. Integrity means you need to stop thinking. There is indeed unity and integrity here, that of the single-minded zombie.

2) Awareness: Most of the time when we talk about awareness, it is always about something. e.g. social awareness, computer awareness and so on. But what about the awareness of awareness itself? For that one has to become aware of one's body as a first step. If you do so, you will become aware of your gestures, movements and so on. If you go little deeper in silence, by observing your breath, you will able to listen to your heartbeats. If you carry it further, in the second step you can watch your thoughts in an aloof manner as an observer. If it becomes even subtler, the third step is to see the deep-rooted feelings & subtlest emotions. Now if you remain vigilant of all these three steps simultaneously, for longer duration and wait without expectations, the fourth state of becoming aware of awareness happens on its own accord. This is the quality called," awareness of the awakened one", we are talking about. A real spiritual person carries this relaxed multi-dimensional awareness all the time. The quality which is timeless in itself. It's eternal.
An important step in becoming aware is to not think. It's important not to think. Thoughts are the source of all distress. Don't use thought. Don't get involved. Detach yourself completely from anything your mind says. It's all wrong and unhelpful. Even your mind's voice, saying, "Detach yourself completely from all thought", is wrong. Don't think about this contradiction. Just don't think.

3) Non-attachment: Our attachment to our Body, Thoughts, emotions and ideas is so much that it is very difficult to understand the meaning of "Non-attachment" from the view point of the awakened one. A spiritual master is fully aware of his body, thoughts, emotions & ideas but is simply unattached to it, like the lotus in the pond is very much in the mud but it still remains untouched by all that is around it! A Buddha also has his body-mind and he has to take care of it. But it is only functional. He is not the part of the power game of the mind. He is simply a dropout!
Achieving non-attachment means: be unattached. To do this: Don't think! To experience non-attachment, just don't think. Try to be as unconscious as possible. Then you won't even know if you're attached or not, so you can't be blamed for believing it's non-attachment, eh?

4) Silence: We are conditioned by our educational system to understand the word silence as the absence of speech. Or at the most we understand it as the silence of the dead man. But real silence is totally different phenomena! It is not just the absence of speech and the chattering mind but it's vibrant and has the quality of dynamicity or effervescence. It's alive and throbbing, which can be felt by the sensitive ones who go near the awakened one. By being in the energy field of the awakened one, it's possible to experience this silence. It is like, if you go near the flower, you get the fragrance! The fragrance belongs to flower, the silence belongs to Buddha. You may get the glimpse of it but ultimately everyone has to work for it on one's own! The borrowed silence doesn't last long! To be awakened to this effervescent silence is the birth right of everyone and it is not the monopoly of the few selected ones.
Enlightenment requires that you escape rationality and believe in superstitions and miracles, like "energy fields", and the like. At all costs, don't think! Believe in half-conscious whims and fancies, but don't think about them. Just accept what anyone tells you, so long as it's irrational and doesn't require any thinking.

5) Love: This is another word, which is most misused and misunderstood. Our love for car or a pet dog or a relative is just the attachment, which is the part of our social conditioning. "Making love" means sex! It's simply physical! Few talk of love in the platonic sense, but that too is the glorification of the non-physical aspect of it. The real love is overflowing joy of the ego-less being! As long as the fictitious identification with body/mind is there, the love exists not. If you ask sun about darkness, it knows nothing about it, so also this purest quality called love can never co-exist with ego. Eradication of the subtlest ego is the primary requirement to understand and experience love. A real spiritual master is a one who is absolutely egoless. Love oozes out of such a person like water flows out of a fountain! It is unconditional and it is available to all.
Love is what oozes out of the being who suppresses thought. They appear to have no ego, but rather, they are deeply frightened of being conscious and thinking. As long as they don't think, all is well. But when challenged, they turn into regular furies, calling people "rabid bitches" and screaming in pain. Avoid people who challenge you to think, or you'll lose that loving bliss. This is what you should aim to be at all times! As they say, ignorance is bliss.

6) Compassion: Passion is the quality of body-mind, compassion is the quality of mind-less-ness. A passionate person is full of desires and hence gripped by the unawareness. A compassionate Buddha is rooted into the desirelessness and the awareness. Passion is the fever of the body-mind, while compassion is the purest form of love plus meditation. Compassion is neither the duty nor the psychological love. It's neither sympathy nor empathy. Compassion is the quality that comes from beyond the thought-mind! A real compassionate spiritual master is a one who gives without giving. It's a kind of unconditional sharing! A saint, a criminal and a prostitute, all are equal when it comes to the sharing of such a master!
Compassion is what oozes from those who don't think, who hang around those who agree with them. When challenged to think, they express.... er... hatred. That's why they don't like thinking. It is a bad thing to do. Don't think!

7) Innocence: Look into the wondrous eyes of the child whose mind is not yet polluted by parents & society and you will understand the quality called innocence. The awakened one is as innocent as child, but with one difference. A child is unaware of it while an awakened one is absolutely rooted in the awareness. When such a person laughs in his child-like innocence, the entire existence participates in it! The presence of such a person on earth is the blessing unto existence. To reclaim that lost innocence, it is necessary to be born again. With this new spiritual birth, one becomes incorruptible. All that is done by the society is undone in the awareness. To regain this innocence is the real maturity, the ultimate flowering.
Laughter is great, as long as your awareness is void of thinking. You'll laugh like the intellectually disabled laugh. Life is bliss; ignorance is bliss. Don't think!

8) Courage: One thing that differentiates courageous from cowardice is that a coward goes by his fears while a courageous one puts aside all his fears and is ready to jump into the unknown. When one carries this courage in every situation in life to face the unknown, it ultimately flowers into the fearlessness. The spiritually awakened person is rooted firmly in this fearlessness and hence even death can not touch him. How can the death touch that which is deathless?
Make sure you put aside any qualms about entering the realm of non-thinking. Don't hesitate for a moment. You must give up all thought, without doubt. Keep reminding yourself not to think, and you'll be able to suppress your awareness of fear (which will be always there, seething beneath your self-hypnosis).

9) Friendliness: A real spiritual person does not behave like a Guru to anybody, as he is not on any Gurudom trip! So there is no Guru & there are no disciples. Only friends. Friendship is like relationship. It has it's own limitations like expectations etc. Whereas Friendliness is a quality. It's a state of being. The awakened one carries this feeling of friendliness for everyone and everything around. Friendliness is a quality in which arises the freedom. Freedom is not just opposite of possessive-ness but it is a dimensionally different phenomenon. It simply allows everything to happen around the master with love overflowing.
There are no masters or disciples around the master, just.... er..... um..... well, as long as you do what the master says, it must be okay. Don't think about it, okay? Trust me.

10) Humor: A real spiritual person is definitely not the one with the most serious looks and a long face. On the contrary, an awakened one has the great sense of humor. At times, even mischievous! Only such a person can laugh at oneself. He laughs at the absurdity of the mind itself! For such a person, life is an everyday picnic! It's a celebration! These are the people who enjoy life because the hindrance to joy from the thought-mind is not there. When the achievement-oriented mind is transcended, the becoming gets transformed into being. A person rooted in his beingness shares it with humor to others around! When the struggle of the thought-mind ends, the humor arises on its own accord!
The most awakened of the awakened is the cow in the field. Just get on and chew your cud. Imitate the cow. But also laugh like an idiot, because having fun is what it's all about. Don't think! Don't challenge! Don't argue seriously! It's all a joke. Here, take this cyanide pill and enjoy it! Trust me, it won't hurt. Ha, ha, ha! Great joke, eh? Don't think, that's the only way to be sad. Enlightenment is all about being happy.

11) Humility: Learning from nature is one of the best ways to learn. Observe a Mango tree. Its branches move outward & upward, but when it's laden with fruits, the tree bows down in humility. So also the spiritually evolved person becomes humble & simple. An awakened one is not the storehouse of the borrowed informative knowledge but he remains always in the state of not knowing, which is the most humble state of being.
The greatest of the great knows nothing at all. I know this for a fact! But I am quite humble about it, and I'm only joking. See me laugh! Ha, ha! Here, chew your cud, my friendly disciple-cow. Don't think, just trust me. It's all true.

12) Acceptance: In the highest state of choice-less awareness everything is accepted as it is. Likes and dislikes are no hindrance to it as it is beyond both. It's a state of non-judgmental witness. If everything in existence that life offers is accepted as it is, the life becomes a celebration unto itself. Unconditional acceptance of all that is there in the existence is the most virtuous and aesthetic quality of evolved human consciousness.
Don't judge anything. Don't think. Don't discriminate. Then you will be the most evolved of all cows. Or worms. Worms are better, because they're humble.

13) Maturity: A mature person is a one who always lives in the present moment. Present moment is not the same as present. Past, present and future is the continuation of time. To be in the present moment is to be in the eternal nowness. In the depths of silence, if one remains aware and vigilant, the ego disappears. Self-realization is the realization of the self without the ego. When mind is no more, meditation happens. When ego is no more, maturity happens. Maturity is the ultimate flowering of Meditation.
Never think about consequences or cause and effect. Just live in the moment, not thinking, not paying any attention to the fact your decision to think about nothing at all, means you're feeling very ill from eating blow-flies for breakfast, as a result of deciding you shouldn't think about what to eat, but just accept whatever happens.

After all, you're beyond death. Be fearless, laugh, and never think. Don't think! Then you'll be happy. Very sick, idiotic, suppressive, stupid, illogical, gullible, penniless after paying thousands for the books, videos, lucky talismans, statuettes, Tibetan prayer flags and wheels, chanting CDs, but at least you can laugh. Or, the one who has your money can laugh. Oh, how they're laughing! At you, of course.

But don't criticise or condemn those who've defrauded you of your money. You should rather attack anyone who gets you to think. They're the enemy. Attack them with as much love and compassion as possible, make jokes, laugh, and ooze that mindlessness as much as you can muster. It'll work. You'll never feel the slightest sting, because you are in a state of frantic self-hypnosis. Well done! You have won.


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Yes I copied it. I thought it sounded correct/good. I've been pondering what characteristics does a spiritual person have...just thought I'd share it...and see what others thought of these characteristics....I don't claim to be spiritually evolved....I don't think If you're spiritually evolved you would proclaim it....but people could see it, and recognize it, sense it in others.....they inspire others...
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Kelly Jones wrote: Enlightenment requires that you escape rationality and believe in superstitions and miracles, like "energy fields", and the like.

lol, starting to like you kelly :) Someone gets it.

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Kelly, you made me laugh for the first time ! I'm sorry for calling you a rabid bitch....but you provoked me..
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I didn't provoke you. I spoke the truth about you. As for your apology, I don't accept it. You need to stay away from the forum for at least a month. You're far too addicted to posting here, to be capable of genuine remorse.


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No, you didn't speak the truth, as you can't even understand how you provoked me. You can't even see your own flaws.

pro·voke


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1.
stimulate or give rise to (a reaction or emotion, typically a strong or unwelcome one) in someone
synonyms: arouse, produce, evoke, cause, give rise to, occasion, call forth, elicit, induce, excite, spark off, touch off, kindle, generate, engender, instigate, result in, lead to, bring on, precipitate, prompt, trigger;




THINK about it.
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Kunga, I did speak the truth. So did Jupiviv and Diebert, when they pointed out that you have a quite significant psychological instability. Your OP in this thread, which you have justified posting by saying you believed it to be correct, is a case in point.

Until you can develop more strength of mind in complete isolation from those charlatans and Self-Help books, you'll remain as fragile and emotional as ever.

Can you not see this?
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Kelly Jones wrote:Kunga, I did speak the truth. So did Jupiviv and Diebert, when they pointed out that you have a quite significant psychological instability. Your OP in this thread, which you have justified posting by saying you believed it to be correct, is a case in point.

Until you can develop more strength of mind in complete isolation from those charlatans and Self-Help books, you'll remain as fragile and emotional as ever.

Can you not see this?

No, none of you know me truly. If you did, you wouldn't have made those narrow minded statements. I am not psychologically unstable...far from it. You make statements of my character and total personage by what you only see here, you know nothing of my daily life interactions and thoughts. You know nothing of my religious practice....all you do is relate to the past that I have divulged of myself. You have so many aversions towards me because you think I am a Tibetan Buddhist. I was many years ago, I practice nothing now. I never read self-help books....another misconception you've made. I am not fragile or emotional either, I also don't need you or anyone to give me advice as to how to spend my time. So, you see....from all your misperceptions of me, I can't respect you, as I can see how ignorant you are to the truth of who I really am, by your judging me from what LITTLE you know.

So what in your opinion is a spiritual person Kelly ? Do you fit the bill ?
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Kunga wrote:You make statements of my character and total personage by what you only see here, ....... [snip] ..... you know nothing of my daily life interactions and thoughts. You know nothing of my religious practice....all you do is relate to the past that I have divulged of myself.
If we rely only on your behaviour on the forum, to assess your character, that would indeed be sufficient. If, in addition, we refer to your life as you describe it, that also would be reliable information --- if you're not lying.

You have so many aversions towards me because you think I am a Tibetan Buddhist. I was many years ago, I practice nothing now.
Yet you advocated Yab-Yum only days ago, which is related to Tibetan Buddhism, and assured me that Pema Chodron was a Buddha. If you didn't hold to Tibetan Buddhism, why would you support these ideas?

I never read self-help books....another misconception you've made.
No, your OP is self-help writing, so you do read that sort of thing.

I am not fragile or emotional either,
You definitely are.

So what in your opinion is a spiritual person Kelly ? Do you fit the bill ?
It hardly matters whether I live up to my values, or not, since you don't respect anything I say. Or had you forgotten that, in your fit of emotional slather?


It's all been done a million times with you before, Kunga. This is why you've been asked to leave umpteen times. This is not the place for you. All you hear is criticism and attack, and you thrive on it; you need your poor self-esteem, because it's what you identify with. I really think you need to stay away, because it's not healthy for you. You don't know how to hear what is said to you.

Please take yourself away. I wish the admins cared.


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You have way too many aversions. David Quinn has welcomed me here personally. He is a gentleman. Don't make me say the B word again.
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Kelly's got a hitlist
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I have now listed "Kunga" and "Dennis Mahar" in the "Foes" panel, which means their posts are designated in the forum with their names only.
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LOL
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Yeah, if you wanna be more spiritual....follow in Kelly's footsteps, so she can manipulate and control you !
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http://www.jasminestarblog.com/images/c ... -photo.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintsugi

This is something a spiritually evolved human would do to fix something broken. The spiritual significance that I saw in this can relate to when a persons spirit is broken, only someone with a heart of gold can repair it. Or another analogy would be spiritual truth mending a broken soul. So looking at this broken pottery from a spiritual aspect,[the human, being a vessel], only the spiritual[gold], can relieve the suffering...
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“Neither a lofty degree of intelligence nor imagination nor both together go to the making of genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius.”
― Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart [?]

Mozart is often quoted as saying “Love is the soul of genius.” In fact, it was his best friend and student, Gottfried von Jacquin, who wrote in Mozart’s Stammbuch on April 11, 1787
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“there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
human being to supply any given army on any given day

and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace

those who preach god, need god
those who preach peace do not have peace
those who preach peace do not have love

beware the preachers
beware the knowers
beware those who are always reading books
beware those who either detest poverty
or are proud of it
beware those quick to praise
for they need praise in return
beware those who are quick to censor
they are afraid of what they do not know
beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average

but there is genius in their hatred
there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
to kill anybody
not wanting solitude
not understanding solitude
they will attempt to destroy anything
that differs from their own
not being able to create art
they will not understand art
they will consider their failure as creators
only as a failure of the world
not being able to love fully
they will believe your love incomplete
and then they will hate you
and their hatred will be perfect

like a shining diamond
like a knife
like a mountain
like a tiger
like hemlock

their finest art”
― Charles Bukowski
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The distinction Spiritual calls forth a way of being that recognises
'Spirit in all things'
Giving rise to a non discriminating consciousness.

the background nonconceptual understanding that all things lack inherent existence seriously undermines the activity of the inferential meaning maker.

Nevertheless existential possibilities for living a life relatively free of suffering can be lightly attached to or enrolled in.
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Re: Qualities of a Spiritually Evolved Human

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Kelly you strike me as someone who knows a thing or two, so I was surprised by your post that stated:
"An important step in becoming aware is to not think. It's important not to think. Thoughts are the source of all distress. Don't use thought. Don't get involved. Detach yourself completely from anything your mind says. It's all wrong and unhelpful. Even your mind's voice, saying, "Detach yourself completely from all thought", is wrong. Don't think about this contradiction. Just don't think."

If you meant it you are deluded, if you were using it as a pointer to something else I apologise.

Other things are the source of all distress, thoughts are the outcome ie 'from the thought comes the action'.

Nen are generated from within us, reviewed by our previous experiences, hopes, loves, ideas etc then string them together and are published as distorted thoughts (Shakespeare wrote beautifully about this). I am not sure I agree with the idea of a 'silent watcher' that dictates all things BUT to allow reality to well up without the filters forms the untainted thoughts that all great enlightened people have.

To stop all thoughts is like turning off the TV and still assume you are experiencing the movie. It is far more complex that 'stopping all thoughts'.
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Re: Qualities of a Spiritually Evolved Human

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Don't worry, ardy, you've hit the nail on the head. My "analysis" was really a tongue-in-cheek translation, bringing out in full relief the blatant stupidity of what Kunga posted. I was being ironic.

Anyone who can take that rubbish seriously can't be taken seriously, so the only possible response was mockery.

Many wise words have been borrowed by people who don't understand what they mean. So their words sound plausible, but when you examine what the writer actually means, you realise it's nonsense.


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Thoughts are emptiness.
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Kunga wrote:Yeah, if you wanna be more spiritual....follow in Kelly's footsteps, so she can manipulate and control you !
Kunga, as long as it does not harm you, why not give Kelly what she wants? Serious question.
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Cahoot wrote:as long as it does not harm you, why not give Kelly what she wants? Serious question.
I can't, because I see her as deluded.
I just deleted a paragraph explaining in detail, but I saw my own aversions in it.
I feel she is more fragile than myself, she even has to run to the administrators and try to bond here with others to support her. She is not an individual , she tries to promote the importance of individuality, but needs the assistance and support of others to hold herself up.
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