Calling The Next Generation

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(I am reposting this, from "Suffering Revisited".)



Hi everyone,

I think it's time this forum was emptied out in a very real sense. Emptied of the nonsense culture. Emptied of the idiotic obstructiveness. Emptied of senseless postings and evasive ditherings. Emptied of the spiritually weak persons dominating here.

The Genius Forum has become a wasteland, with no relevance or spiritual power, because of the culture of idiotic obstructiveness and senseless postings. Very few young men of genuine scope visit here anymore, because they can see at a glance a great many insane and psychologically disturbed contributions.

And yet! --- it is advertised as a source of spiritual and philosophical enlightenment. Ye gods! What a horribly discouraging example it is setting. How many people is it turning off, in its current diseased state? How many has it lost us already? This place is not for people with psychiatric illnesses, or for wannabe sages, or in-between jobs. And I'm heartily sick to death of the state into which the forum has deteriorated.

So the forum needs a total clean-out.

Long-standing members with sincere intentions and ongoing commitment to the original goals of the forum, Diebert, Jupiviv, and others, have admitted the mess it's in. What are we waiting for? There's no time to lose.

The owners of the forum have clearly lost interest, and I don't blame them. While the jungle of crap that the Genius Forum now amounts to, is partly a product of their fade-out, David has also mentioned on numerous occasions the need for him to step back, to allow the next generation room to develop under their own steam. Dan has been ailing in various ways for ages. Kevin uses other venues, though he continues to pay for and administrate. So, it is obvious that the bedlam here can be put down to a lack of careful meditative discipline exercised publicly, in my own generation.

For these reasons, I am now calling for a drastic change in the forum. Machiavelli would have advised a massacre of the ex-government's most powerful figures. But true, conscious change requires thought and self-examination.

I think the best way to light a fire under the arses of the most sickly and impotent, smug posters here, and generally purge the system, is to call for a strong rededication of members to spiritual goals, and to get creating that vital elixir in yourselves. Then let's see a massive, powerful explosion of spiritual works, published here and on other internet sites. We of the next generation need to start firing up the engines.

It's not a revolution or any such thing. It's just a revitalising breath of air into the dank, reeking void of humanity. There is much to do!

Wealth, comfort, fame, honour, love, happiness, and social acceptance are but illusory flowers of imagination. They're not worth a first thought, let alone a second. Where are you, you starving and shadowy phoenixes, hidden in the corners while demons and nitwits run amok in the temples?

Come out, come out, come out, wherever you are!


Kelly Jones

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HI Kelly, Looking at the members on the first page the numbers are 50 with 4693 posts at average of 94 yet if you take out your contribution then the average drops to 41.

So what you have here is a forum that is supported by a core of posters who have an influence on the structure and the topics addressed here. You may be correct and the forum has run down, I would not know, but it is the same in everything in life 10% do 90% of the heavy lifting.

Does this mean it is failing? I don't think so as a new poster here it seems relatively vibrant compared to other sites I have visited to discuss the 'great matter'.

If you are looking for awareness amongst the young to rip through to the next stage then it could be fine but I would not bet my house on it. Awareness comes from all quarters and there is no restrictions on young lions turning up and I hope you are right.

Babies and bath water, spring from this bowl.
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ardy wrote:as a new poster here it seems relatively vibrant compared to other sites I have visited to discuss the 'great matter'.
Those sites are probably not comparative, since you think animals are enlightened.

The Genius Forum is definitely as luminous as a shadow, at present.


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Kelly Jones wrote: I think the best way to light a fire under the arses of the most sickly and impotent, smug posters here, and generally purge the system, is to call for a strong rededication of members to spiritual goals, and to get creating that vital elixir in yourselves. Then let's see a massive, powerful explosion of spiritual works, published here and on other internet sites.
If you can keep taking shots and hitting the weak points, I'll have no choice but to follow your lead. I am of service to anyone who can find weakness. If there's anything I can't tolerate, it is being weak. Mind you, what you see as a flaw, I won't always agree.

I liked your thoughts on Neoteny, so I start a new mnemonic in the Square Garden.

If you can deliver some criticism of my editing and organization (with respect for me) then I can steer Core Webworks in any direction you want to take it.
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Hey Cory.

With respect to you, I find the idea of followers repulsive. Who needs followers? Those who don't trust their own minds, and who don't want others to, either.

Similarly, I don't wish to steer others. When I criticise, it's not in order to steer people. I'm just offering my thoughts, and hopefully they listen in the same individualised, independent spirit. Like Nietzsche described it: to be able to listen to someone, without coming over to them.

With all that in mind, I think your website is a bit too crammed. There's too much asking for attention at once. It divides one's attention.

Try to make a simple, flowing viewer's perspective, so they can step logically through what you are conveying, as if it is a single cohesive conversation and a single topic. I like David's website precisely for this attention to one's psychological states and how that ties in with the process of learning and thinking. It lends itself to being read aloud, which is just perfect for a thinker.


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I agree that there is a problem with cramming. I'm slowly simplifying. The weakness of "loudness" is the weakness of the rooster. The loudness wakes people up. Any intelligent person will cut through the fluff easily enough. I offer an artistic and philosophical way of advertising, and also a way of seeing philosophy as a social game and play.

The loudness of the aesthetic eventually draws people into quieter spaces. Students always kill their teachers.

You're announcement that you don't want followers is noted, both for it's earnestness and pretentiousness.

We are all followers of each other. For instance, if you respond to this post, you are following my lead. Ideally, you can follow along intelligently and not lose your head in word games.

"Verily, not the rope-makers will I resemble: they lengthen out their cord, and thereby go ever backward. Many a one, also, waxeth too old for his truths and triumphs; a toothless mouth hath no longer the right to every truth. And whoever wanteth to have fame, must take leave of honour betimes, and practise the difficult art of--going at the right time. One must discontinue being feasted upon when one tasteth best: that is known by those who want to be long loved. Sour apples are there, no doubt, whose lot is to wait until the last day of autumn: and at the same time they become ripe, yellow, and shrivelled. In some ageth the heart first, and in others the spirit. And some are hoary in youth, but the late young keep long young. To many men life is a failure; a poison-worm gnaweth at their heart. Then let them see to it that their dying is all the more a success." (Nietzsche)
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It looks like Kevin, David, and Dan aren't interested in helping with maintaining the forum more actively than they're currently doing.

Kevin's solution to the trolling by Kunga and Dennis is to ignore them, or to respond simply explaining their irrationality. But this only works if they're actually rational enough to recognise their mistakes, or conscious of being ignored. In Kunga and Dennis' case, they've been either ignored or reasoned with for so many months, availing nothing, that it's clear they've gotten used to troll status.

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain, that the forum has been sunk into apathy and demoralisation, by the fact that there's nothing that the more intelligent members can do, to get these pests to leave. It's like having to listen to set of squarking parrots, day in and day out, repeating their favourite words, without a clue what they're talking about. One tries to reason, but there's complete resistance from them. None of the admins have household pets, so why would they put up with the bad intellectual hygiene of these critters? They wouldn't put up with dog faeces in their bed, or ticks and leeches the cat has carried in. These pests aren't displayers of well-structured dissenting voices: they're drones. It's like living with a constantly nagging wife.

Rather than setting such a poor example to visitors and members alike, the forum ought to be closed, or the admin get more involved in discussion, or else pass the administration tasks onto the next generation. But to these suggestions, there is no response at all from any of the admin. They're not even interested enough to reply.

Perhaps this is to be expected: they're in their early fifties, they're easily tired, they're easily bored; it's too much trouble to go through the same old round of discussions with young folk anymore. They've done a lot already. And maybe this forum is simply stale and past its use-by date.

At any rate, I think it's too difficult to use this venue for productive discussion. The psychological atmosphere is slumbering moroseness.

So I've started the Men of the Infinite forum. If there is anyone from the Genius Forum who still has the candle of wisdom alight, head over to naturalthinker.net/phpBB. No trolls, please.

I'll repost the Projects: "I have come to start a fire..." thread. It'd be good to continue thoughtful discussion of Jupta's essay there, but that's up to him.

I'd like a few volunteers to co-administrate.

Thanks, everyone.


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@Kelly Jones: I don't think a new forum is the solution. The best way to deal with Dennis et alia is to ignore them until they show an interest in serious discussion. If they get in the way too much they can always be banned.

I'm working on a 2nd part to my essay, and I'll post it here, but you are free to use the text any way you want.
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Drama queen.
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Well, given the increasing inertia of the admins, you're unlikely to get them banning anyone other than Viagra and mobile phone touts.

Good luck with whatever you get up to. Hope the vids come out soon.

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Kelly Jones wrote:Kevin's solution to the trolling by Kunga and Dennis is to ignore them, or to respond simply explaining their irrationality.
Did he tell you that or are you guessing that's what he'll say? Technically neither Dennis or Kunga have done anything to warrant a banning, but I'd be in favour of not allowing them to post in a thread if they aren't writing anything meaningful or relevant.
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Ok,
Women are shit.

that should get me an honours degree for excellence in the curriculum.
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Kelly critisizes me for not being able to take critisizm, she calls me a troll when I critisize her, what a manipulative evil witch Kelly !
Kelly uses ad hominem attacks when she's throwing a tempertantrum & dosn't get her way.
Kelly is adverse to the truth, her life is built upon lies.
If it wasn't for her lying and manipulative expertise, she would not be able to lounge around and think.

Kelly depends apon lies for her survival.
She's an expert at manipulation and control.
She wants control, that's why she is frustrated, and like a whinny girl has to have her way.

My contributions are based on the philosophy that I have studied the past 10+ years.
Not the same philosophers you have [the misogynistic ones]

Kelly, you are the troll here, attacking, critisizing, grandstanding, promoting yourself, cuasing disruption in the forum, lying,
No one has ever asked me to leave....but you...because I'm your best fucking critic here, and you can't stand it.

Man up or STFU
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You only come here becaue you failed at your own forum. Now you're tring to run this place, like a dominmatrix. You think people are stupid and gullible that they can't see what you're up to ?
You are the one with pychological problems. You depend on it for your survival:


"My income is the disability pension (I deliberately allowed myself to be diagnosed as having a schizotypal personality, instead of a schizotypoid personality like most."

[Kelly Jones}

http://www.naturalthinker.net/

You know how to manipulate the doctors to get your monthly check....what's stopping you from manipulating the truth in everything and anything, that's what you're good at, it's how you survive.

This is the truth.
But you can't stand the truth.

You are a danger to young impressionable men and women.

I am compelled to say what's true.
You are compelled to twist the truth to your liking.
Your words don't decribe truth, you fabricate the truth.

You write pulp fiction, not truth.

I don't need to use fancy words or discriptions.
Just the plain truth will do....unadulterated.
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Read her 100 SEASIDE NIGHTS, where pedophiles,murderers and rapists can do no wrong !
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@Kunga You're claiming to be a philosopher and this is how you act - by literally throwing a tantrum about some woman on a forum whom you've conversed with maybe a dozen times or so?
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You can say the exact same thing about Kelly's behavior here.
I can man up to mine, but she'd say her shit was the truth.
Is she a natural born liar or just Maybelline ?
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Kelly Jones wrote:I think it's time this forum was emptied out in a very real sense. Emptied of the nonsense culture. Emptied of the idiotic obstructiveness. Emptied of senseless postings and evasive ditherings. Emptied of the spiritually weak persons dominating here.
That time has passed already in my opinion. Any forum will always be the total of all input and unless it has to function as private recluse. The ones with somewhat elevated goals will attract idiots, senselessness, evasion and weakness simply by cause and effect. And the biggest issue: pseudo-spirituality. From your opening remark I get the sense you're not looking for a public discussion forum. Then again, if I would have been in charge of the ban button this forum would have bled dry many years ago. This is because its energy didn't come from "powerful" thinkers and discussing thoughtful thesis after thesis - although that might be tempting to entertain - but mostly from all the ugly clashes and insane contrasts. Most of the decline is really just a traffic issue in my view.

The idea that the forum has served even that purpose is valid enough. But there might be others who still see purpose and continue it in their own way. Anyone finished with the dynamic doesn't have to stay or feel responsible for its functioning or malfunctioning.
Very few young men of genuine scope visit here anymore, because they can see at a glance a great many insane and psychologically disturbed contributions.
While I agree here, it's also true that the social networks have created a different type of interaction and digestion of material. Shallow perhaps but it might have its own potential for networking and creativity. So it might be part medium, part message issue. One could even argue that maintaining a (large) forum conflicts with the intense individuality needed to become an independent thinker. The dynamics, grouping and organization issues seem always get the better of all attempts to apply any wisdom in the relations.
And yet! --- it is advertised as a source of spiritual and philosophical enlightenment. Ye gods! What a horribly discouraging example it is setting. How many people is it turning off, in its current diseased state? How many has it lost us already? This place is not for people with psychiatric illnesses, or for wannabe sages, or in-between jobs. And I'm heartily sick to death of the state into which the forum has deteriorated.
My own philosophy was already maturing enough before I ever heard of this place. The reason I started hanging around was the reading of one or two spicy discussions, about exposing some bullshit with great skill and insight. The members involved are not even here any more since many years. Perhaps it's not a good idea to take the role of "mother" and trying to create some clean, nurturing nests for young chicks. On the contrary, I believe genius is created by hardship, opposition, facing disease, ones own as the one in places like this and the world and figuring it out by our self in the end. A forum like this is relatively irrelevant to the aspiring philosopher, I hope!
So the forum needs a total clean-out.
I'll try not to make the obvious feminine-related remark here. Perhaps needing the clean-out is a permanent condition in all we do and sense.
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Kelly Jones wrote:


Hi everyone,

I think it's time this forum was emptied out in a very real sense. Emptied of the nonsense culture. Emptied of the idiotic obstructiveness. Emptied of senseless postings and evasive ditherings. Emptied of the spiritually weak persons dominating here.

The Genius Forum has become a wasteland, with no relevance or spiritual power, because of the culture of idiotic obstructiveness and senseless postings. Very few young men of genuine scope visit here anymore, because they can see at a glance a great many insane and psychologically disturbed contributions.

And yet! --- it is advertised as a source of spiritual and philosophical enlightenment. Ye gods! What a horribly discouraging example it is setting. How many people is it turning off, in its current diseased state? How many has it lost us already? This place is not for people with psychiatric illnesses, or for wannabe sages, or in-between jobs. And I'm heartily sick to death of the state into which the forum has deteriorated.

So the forum needs a total clean-out.

Long-standing members with sincere intentions and ongoing commitment to the original goals of the forum, Diebert, Jupiviv, and others, have admitted the mess it's in. What are we waiting for? There's no time to lose.

The owners of the forum have clearly lost interest, and I don't blame them. While the jungle of crap that the Genius Forum now amounts to, is partly a product of their fade-out, David has also mentioned on numerous occasions the need for him to step back, to allow the next generation room to develop under their own steam. Dan has been ailing in various ways for ages. Kevin uses other venues, though he continues to pay for and administrate. So, it is obvious that the bedlam here can be put down to a lack of careful meditative discipline exercised publicly, in my own generation.

For these reasons, I am now calling for a drastic change in the forum. Machiavelli would have advised a massacre of the ex-government's most powerful figures. But true, conscious change requires thought and self-examination.

I think the best way to light a fire under the arses of the most sickly and impotent, smug posters here, and generally purge the system, is to call for a strong rededication of members to spiritual goals, and to get creating that vital elixir in yourselves. Then let's see a massive, powerful explosion of spiritual works, published here and on other internet sites. We of the next generation need to start firing up the engines.

It's not a revolution or any such thing. It's just a revitalising breath of air into the dank, reeking void of humanity. There is much to do!

Wealth, comfort, fame, honour, love, happiness, and social acceptance are but illusory flowers of imagination. They're not worth a first thought, let alone a second. Where are you, you starving and shadowy phoenixes, hidden in the corners while demons and nitwits run amok in the temples?

Come out, come out, come out, wherever you are!


Kelly Jones

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This is the ranting of a bully....a snob....someone with the spirit of intellectual superiority gone insane....as she nit picks her way in here, [the hypocrite that she is]....the observer observing herself in all her pink-eyed [diseased infected] http://health.usnews.com/pubdbimages/im ... 25x283.jpg


shadow/shallow thoughts ...




Why couldn't you just come here with dignity and grace ? Why did you have to harrass others ? You provoked all this shit yourself.
Man up and take responsibility for your actions & thoughts. Don't blame me or others for critisizing you back, as you vemenently come here with your outdated style of addressing people.

The next generation will be clean and straightforward, not frivolous and fancy like the wig-headed dead .
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Diebert: I'll try not to make the obvious feminine-related remark here. Perhaps needing the clean-out is a permanent condition in all we do and sense.
Diebert, under that lust for logic that drives your existential libido lies a refreshing breeze of dare I say it, faith?
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Its so obvious Diebert that Ma and Pa Jones are 'nesting'.
a white picket fence with a 'Thinkers Estate' shingle on the gate.
incubating.
Insulating

Intervention orders issued to rowdy neighbours.

protection racket

Bliss.
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Diebert van Rhijn wrote:because its energy didn't come from "powerful" thinkers and discussing thoughtful thesis after thesis but mostly from all the ugly clashes and insane contrasts.
Diebert van Rhijn wrote: Perhaps needing the clean-out is a permanent condition in all we do and sense.
movingalways wrote:Diebert, under that lust for logic that drives your existential libido lies a refreshing breeze of dare I say it, faith?
Wisdom rises in response to ignorance just like ignorance rises in response to wisdom. It's ignorant to "seek" wisdom on any forum. What arises are contrasts for ones own exposition.
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