the Core Obstacle to Justice

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the Core Obstacle to Justice

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The Core Obstacle to Justice is the unwillingness to draw attention to embarrassment. Man foolishly prides himself too much on his class. "Class" or being "Classy" is essentially the clothes that mankind covers over himself so that his illusory qualities are heightened and his actual character is concealed. "Reputation" is essentially a form of clothing and it is the tendency toward clothing over embarrassments that creates crime.


A friend of mine has a favorite maxim - "the classy thing would be not to draw attention to it."


"Too much sensibility creates unhappiness and too much insensibility creates crime." (Charles Talleyrand)

"The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame." (Oscar Wilde)

"Embarrassment is a villain to be crushed." (Robert B. Cialdini, Influence: Science and Practice)


If the world doesn't hate you, you're not trying hard enough.
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"What do you consider most humane? - To spare someone shame"
- Nietzsche
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Cold Cave wrote:"What do you consider most humane? - To spare someone shame"
- Nietzsche
That's a good quote. I think we have to look at it in two ways though. We can spare someone shame by lying to them (we often protect very elderly people this way), or we can spare someone shame by focusing on the way adults talk to children.

"Make your educational laws strict and your criminal ones can be gentle; but if you leave youth its liberty you will have to dig dungeons for ages."(Michel De Montaigne)

I think the earlier stages of education should be based on rituals of initiation.

It's difficult to know how to design those rituals. I do know that when the child loses his satisfaction with his own inner free-play and instead turns to increasing socialization, he becomes overly physical. His fixation is on the physical world and how it relates to his own anatomy.

Even with the academic, his intellectual achievements satisfy him only insofar as his anatomical body is acknowledged by his peer group. He envelops himself in flesh bodies. His identity is one of constant shifting sands, almost as if he's locked into constant unconfronted anxiety which is essentially rooted in terror.

So I think with young children we need to find the appropriate age where we can separate them from the physical world. All initiation is based on separation from material or matter, but also a re-introduction to the physical world. Education must involve a kind of pendulum action. Somewhere in this program, too, is measures taken to prevent stabbing into weaknesses. As Nietzsche himself said, women are practiced in finding weakness and stabbing there.

To me, this is false leadership. You can control someone by hurting them inappropriately. All pain should be in the direction of increased independence. When you have an ignorant person hurting another ignorant person, it only breeds subordination and bondage. Likewsie, when you have an ignorant person giving unsolicited comfort to another ignorant person, it likewise breeds subordination and bondage.
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Hawkwind:

Legends of a Failed Race:

Our legends tell we came from a seed
That travelled at a whirlwind speed
Til' it came to rest upon this land
That once was green and is now all sand
Sand that buried us up to our eyes
And made us watchers of the skies
Til' shadow wings came for our sight
And left us to conspire with night.

Education is not quite up to a battle with fate.
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Hey, I even wrote one myself.

The Cynic Manufactured Life

Only in the throes of pain or love,
Is the human mind capable of being,
Profoundly Inspired.

Thus, whip your children,
Drive them to esoteric fits
Of Fantasy/Creation.
Cripple their souls with thoughts
Of Lace & Lash.
Drive them, yes drive them
Towards the greatness of pain!

Yet be not dismayed,
If your child's greatest deed
Is his death,
For you have tried.

-D. Thomason, 1973
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Cory Duchesne wrote:
Cold Cave wrote:"What do you consider most humane? - To spare someone shame"
- Nietzsche
That's a good quote. I think we have to look at it in two ways though. We can spare someone shame by lying to them (we often protect very elderly people this way), or we can spare someone shame by focusing on the way adults talk to children.

"Make your educational laws strict and your criminal ones can be gentle; but if you leave youth its liberty you will have to dig dungeons for ages."(Michel De Montaigne)

I think the earlier stages of education should be based on rituals of initiation.

It's difficult to know how to design those rituals. I do know that when the child loses his satisfaction with his own inner free-play and instead turns to increasing socialization, he becomes overly physical. His fixation is on the physical world and how it relates to his own anatomy.

Even with the academic, his intellectual achievements satisfy him only insofar as his anatomical body is acknowledged by his peer group. He envelops himself in flesh bodies. His identity is one of constant shifting sands, almost as if he's locked into constant unconfronted anxiety which is essentially rooted in terror.

So I think with young children we need to find the appropriate age where we can separate them from the physical world. All initiation is based on separation from material or matter, but also a re-introduction to the physical world. Education must involve a kind of pendulum action. Somewhere in this program, too, is measures taken to prevent stabbing into weaknesses. As Nietzsche himself said, women are practiced in finding weakness and stabbing there.

To me, this is false leadership. You can control someone by hurting them inappropriately. All pain should be in the direction of increased independence. When you have an ignorant person hurting another ignorant person, it only breeds subordination and bondage. Likewsie, when you have an ignorant person giving unsolicited comfort to another ignorant person, it likewise breeds subordination and bondage.
I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. Rituals introduced at school? Do you mean they should teach philosophy? What does this ritual or separation from the physical world look like? You could say some religions already do this.
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Cold Cave wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. Rituals introduced at school? Do you mean they should teach philosophy? What does this ritual or separation from the physical world look like? You could say some religions already do this.
I suppose Genius Forum itself creates a kind of rational, purposeful function designed to break-down a human being's integration into something more cosmic.

This forum was pretty intense for me, I've been here over five years. I have combined this forum with my own mnemenoics on core webworks.

At the moment, the best we can do is meet the demand that people have for alternative philosophy. However, we're already seeing public education move into the direction of separating boys from girls starting from age 5. So that is a type of ritual, and it's one that I support.

There are many layers involved in the upbringing of a human being. There's the family unit, then there's the public facilities for education efficiency. And then there's the global wiring of values - free information. And finally, there's a kind of universal mind that allows for some degree of telepathy through Sheldrakian morphogenetic fields.
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I was taught when I first started selling as a young man that you cannot please everyone.

25% will like you on sight
25% will dislike you on sight
50% don't care if you live or die!

To socialise kids strictly, then society can breath a little easier later sounds like a good idea to me. If we continue as we are today we have built a lot of dungeons. Young men are the victims of this social engineering experiment we have been going through in the last 20-30 years. I see that the penny has dropped with Camille Paglia coming out and saying we are feminising a generation of young men.
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My own experience of being feminized throughout grade school is that it involves a few basic principles of psychology. The first principle is a jealous fixation on peers.

This occurs far more readily when the sexes are in close approximation to each other. The child's psychology becomes much more irritated and even intimidated by a sexualized climate, and the clarity of thought in the child suffers quite a bit. By the time he's a teenager, the only thing he's really committed to is the game of oneupmanship, but it's on the most superficial level - fashion.
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