Where Buddhism/existentialism overlap

[jupiviv]

Seeker! you don't need to word-panic over things like 'matter' and 'energy'
This is one of the ways we have concretely come to apprehend and manipulate World
feel ourselves both-as
and in it rests this morphic ambiguity of both coming-to-be
and passing-away into each other whilst still being (existence).
We know them made of each and neither exclusively
they express a whole. We fuss around continuously in their
dialectical presence of being present to us this way.
of being this ourselves.

Apprehension as in-concreteness-itself.

Water-filled balloons made-into and going-as the coming-to-be.
Never not unfull, merrily they roll down the hill,
filled with their-own-air which comes from-the-boundless All.
Some down-to-earthness and some painful existential wing-fluttering
contribute a surprising lot to their buoyancy.

"We can't roll upwards can we?" they say "We are made of air and air is all around, and air made all around is air."
Merrily they roll down the hill, in-order-to for-the-sake of.

[Dennis Mahar]

not-so madam. Expect that when you're discriminating you may sometimes be creating. Night Dennis.

really miffed.
well and truly miffed.
You do it great.

[Pye]

jupiviv writes: "We can't roll upwards can we?" they say

Not what Sisyphus says. :)

[jupiviv]

jupiviv writes: "We can't roll upwards can we?" they say

Not what Sisyphus says. :)

An ironic fixed principle, hinged on to nothingness.
The boulder being the harbinger of suffering-as-rolling, or maybe the hinge-bar.

The boulder is bouldering, and you are being (rick)rolled.
The Road Runner as un-hinger. Capito?

It's either you or the boulder up top.

[Pye]

jupiviv: An ironic fixed principle, hinged on to nothingness.

yes, exactly! :) what any-and-all here also live as ambiguity in the making of themselves
in the securing of their being/sense of being from nothing.

jupiviv: It's either you or the boulder up top.

No! :) it's both/neither . . . .

[jupiviv]

Securing being means you're rollin it down.
Remonstration.

Down is up, up is down. You down with that baby?
One way or the other, the Iceman fucking cometh,
but it's sunny down here.

It's sunny everywhere.

You roll your boulder up, down, up, panting, perspiring, whispering softly to it(to yourself).
Never gonna give you up.
Never gonna let you go.
Never gonna turn around and desert you.

You both know what's going on within(out).
You both know the game, and you're playing it.

It's luv baby, and luv makes you a playa.

Dennis' sublime wisdom, which I have all-too-lately approached, boils down to this - don't be mad, be a playa.

Playas be playin - you and the boulder. Both/neither. Both both and neither/neither both or neither. Both both both and neither and neither both or neither/neither neither both or neither nor both both and neither.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Jup, stop screwing around. Lund!

[Dennis Mahar]

It looked like premature ejaculation to me.
Boulder rush.
Gettin' his rocks off.
Playa playin'.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Diebert writes: But yeah, how would you know, mr. puppy zen shock collar.

like this. The acid of champions, esp. when Dennis came here in bareopen authenticity about what he learned/from us in the exchange, let this go no-ego right in front of everybody, but it's still fermenting in your store of personal parries.

No I just referred to when he did actually put shock collars on his puppy dogs. Which I personally don't mind but it reminded me of the way he solves the barking in debates too. Tiny sizzling sensations to make people give up or surrender. As for yourself Pye, you might have to think about what "authenticity" means to you and how you arrive at that. It's possible you are the one "bare open". With Dennis I've no big issues but he needs some kick once in a while to keep him honest, to force reflection. We all need; the mind is a thief... if you don't watch it carefully...

do you see anything akin in these angsty parts of existentialism that is of the same timbre, flavour as the measures-against ego - ego-death - in buddhism? reminders reminders of nothing, out of that nothingness that must (ambiguously!) negatively-define any being at all? There cannot 'be' nothing; only something - and there does being exert itself as such.

It's just that I'm suggesting a different approach to prevent ending up in a worse place than we started. Buddhism starts philosophizing on a whole different platform, not one of "isness" or "being". Or even questioning truth or falsehood of the realities you might perceive, let alone question the sense of it. This is why the overlap is so tricky, if even possible, at least with much of existentialism I've read.

And to ignore, attempt to resolve, or otherwise be in flight from one's condition (reality) would be the practice, and cowardice, of delusion . . . .

The question is if one sees. Just one's condition as "matter of fact" will not help here. The condition will just work towards its own maintenance, being its sole inclination.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

It looked like premature ejaculation to me.

Just mimicries of what he was observing, I suppose :-)

[Dennis Mahar]

Seriously,
Spirit, being ineffable, un-nameable,
ain't a matter for Language House.
Categorically speaking it ain't categorical.

Existential thinking,
whilst employing language,
generates Spirit out of that Context or 'place' to come from.
'unmissable'.

[Dennis Mahar]

Just mimicries of what he was observing, I suppose :-)

Well, you know Jup,
Brain sex.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Just mimicries of what he was observing, I suppose :-)

Well, you know Jup,
Brain sex.

Hmm, but would you know your own brain -- or your own reflection when you'd see it? Or at least get the humor. You gave me reason to doubt that now.

[Dennis Mahar]

That's your shit not mine.
Run it thru' the mincer.

[Pye]

Two people/two 'things' looking at being similar ways
and this is what you guys fall-to?
That's the best you got?


jesus h.christ. I'm stuck in the sophomore locker room.

[Pye]

Oh, and one other thing, jupiviv.
I think I'm living rent-free stuck up somewhere in your craw
and that you should begin eviction proceedings immediately.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

jesus h.christ. I'm stuck in the sophomore locker room.

And you think you have a problem! Lets all start with writing normal sentences, formatting and punctuation then. Pretty please? Some structure in our thoughts, even the poetic.

[SeekerOfWisdom]

Dennis' sublime wisdom, which I have all-too-lately approached, boils down to this - don't be mad, be a playa.

His premise is based on, everyone's mad, and subject to misinterpretation (but me), cause they don't write like me.

A year ago I brought it to him that he contradicts everything he says, when he makes a complaint, somethings broken, when somethings broken, that's a complaint. When there's discrimination, that's meaning-making and consciousness carving, when he discriminates, inherent existence is newly discovered. An inference is a theory, but dependent origination precedes theory, and everything (including reality) is caused by....itself...wait, it's a 'reflection/representation' of...

It would all be fine, if his whole theory weren't based on the 'senses' being a 'reflection' or 'perceiving' of an external world.

[Dennis Mahar]

miffed clocking in at 6 and a half hours, tick tock tick tock.
approaching world record.

[SeekerOfWisdom]

You do recognize your repeating


U mad?


Should inform all those teenagers they've discovered the infinite and absolute truth, cause, u mad?

[jupiviv]

Oh, and one other thing, jupiviv.
I think I'm living rent-free stuck up somewhere in your craw
and that you should begin eviction proceedings immediately.

Dennis addressed this.
It's premature.
Two of us rutting against the same boulder.

You think you live in my craw, I think I live in yours.
In truth it is Dennis' craw, but he ain't miffed.
We're feeding off, mixing and matching what tastes wise, cooking up a broth of wisdom.
Playas playin.

Existentialism is about cooking your broth in your own kitchen.
No coming or going, just cooking.
Buddhism focusses on the kitchen itself - both/neither, both both/neither and neither both/neither and neither neither/both nor both both/neither.
The broth and the kitchen - dependent origination.
First come first serve - down-to-earth.
No waiters in this joint.

Buddhism and existentialism - rutting against the same boulder.
Together for eternity/already/always/now/then, but only luving kindness can make it real.

[Leyla Shen]

Lol

Quite entertaining.

But, I think that between all the this-fucking and that-fucking, the contention is that the penis, in the under-smothering of overlapping flaps flapping, lies in the deep beyond of Buddhist void worship as a cunt of causal intercourse; as existentialism’s cumming from nothing, which is better than wanking.

Talk about a cross-cultural arranged marriage…

[SeekerOfWisdom]

jupiviv, U miffed?

Creating a context from which to live out of,
have to put the ball where the ball isn't.
It's an act, causes/conditions.
Running out fuel to fuel the paradigm, to live out of.

Looking good, conditioned hot potato, what does it look like? breakthru.

Generating a possibility, opening it up, your pulling my leg.


Welcome to the matrix.
It's a fishing expedition.
You guys bring rods?

[jupiviv]

Winning formula, 5-star recipe for the broth.
The broth broths by itself.
But one thing is for sure - the ladle can't taste the broth.

Also @Diebert van Rhijn, why'd you call me a penis dude?

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Also @Diebert van Rhijn, why'd you call me a penis dude?

Because you're not a cunt?