To Dennis

[chikoka]

I know you're leading me down the path.
So what?
You owe me a coffee.

Just tell me what meaning means.

..sorry , all i have is redbull.

[Dennis Mahar]

redbull don't count.
geddit?

[chikoka]

Anyone else ....

Not the redbull,...whats the meaning of meaning?

[Dennis Mahar]

It would probably be sufficient to go thru' life answering 6 lbs of flax or pass the potato's please.
that isn't what is said because there is suffering and what is said is a way out of suffering.
dependent arising.
the meaning of meaning.
the grand poobah.
the whole shebang.

'all the signs are that'

oddly enough, you want to take as many people 'down the garden path' as possible in order to justify the trilemma.
the trilemma's particular application is to caution one to suspend belief in metaphysical views.

therefore it is knowledge and know-how in a particular case against a suggestion you are making that knowledge and know-how isn't possible.

[chikoka]

Dennis

There is a reason why no one else wants to join you in this discussion.

[Dennis Mahar]

The trilemma is a format designed to fix dogma.
The issue is the clinger gets dogmatic about it and opens up a new vicious circle.

In the case of Alex he levelled the charge of core dysfunction as a crime of dogma and he was extremely dogmatic about it.

the accuser is the accused and the accusation.

why not look at what the trilemma depends on for its place in the pantheon.
its causes/conditions.
it is relative.
dependently arisen.

the next time you run the gauntlet, take your shoes and socks off and stand on the earth,
focus on that phenomena.
how does it exist?

[chikoka]

Wow!

[Dennis Mahar]

Bow Wow.

[Dennis Mahar]

that was fantastic chikoka what you did.
negating conceptions.
not that, not that, not that
smashing meaning hard.

that is emptiness,
leaving a pool of clean clear water so to speak.

whilst denying, something is affirmed.

a 'welling up'.

the 'welling up' is known as dependent arising.
bubble, bubble, toil and trouble.

[Dan Rowden]

Dennis

There is a reason why no one else wants to join you in this discussion.

That right. It's meaningless.

[chikoka]

Dennis

There is a reason why no one else wants to join you in this discussion.

That right. It's meaningless.

Thats right , but meaningless is meaningless too, so i guess that means its meaningful.

Dan

Would you care to show us how "consciousness" means anything, and show how it can exist (since you cant say something meaningless can exist).

Maybe you wont make a frustrating corespondent.

[Dan Rowden]

You seem a tad obsessed with "meaning" at the moment. How are you defining "meaning" for the purpose of this discussion (that's not the same as asking for the meaning of meaning which is actually a silly thing to do)?

[chikoka]

You seem a tad obsessed with "meaning" at the moment. How are you defining "meaning" for the purpose of this discussion (that's not the same as asking for the meaning of meaning which is actually a silly thing to do)?

I am obsessed , because i dont know the meaning of absolute reality , like everyhting else , but i beleive in it.

Finding the meaning of meaning is actually a silly thing to do, but its just as silly as finding the meaning of absolute reality.

[Dan Rowden]

Ah! I see your quandary. There's no need to look because there's nothing to find. If you accept that ultimate reality must be non-dual then the problem goes away as "meaning" is an inherently dualistic thing and cannot inhere with respect to ultimate reality. Reality is neither meaningful nor meaningless. No qualities that partake of duality can apply to it. "meaning" is a designation of consciousness. You can't assign meaning to ultimate reality or the Totality, if you like, anymore than you can purpose or morality etc.

If the language of "duality" doesn't suit, replace it with the language of relativity. Meaning is relative; the absolute is not.

[chikoka]

Ah! I see your quandary. There's no need to look because there's nothing to find. If you accept that ultimate reality must be non-dual then the problem goes away as "meaning" is an inherently dualistic thing and cannot inhere with respect to ultimate reality. Reality is neither meaningful nor meaningless. No qualities that partake of duality can apply to it. "meaning" is a designation of consciousness. You can't assign meaning to ultimate reality or the Totality, if you like, anymore than you can purpose or morality etc.

If the language of "duality" doesn't suit, replace it with the language of relativity. Meaning is relative; the absolute is not.

Does the totality exist or not exist. Even this is duality.

Ultimate reality has to be dual otherwise it would not be connected to its meaning.i.e. it would be meaningless.