cousinbasil wrote:How so?
When I hear someone speaking of enjoying, work for all of us, good kids, means nothing to me, it rings me some bells. It seems that you could've stung an apology to pedophilia with it.
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/singleton/ wrote:"when he was 9 years old, the man said, a friend of the family had sexually molested him over a six-month period. The man kept the abuse a secret from his wife and family for more than 30 years and was struggling with feelings of shame and problems at work. But this wasn’t nearly as surprising as what he revealed next: When the sexual abuse was happening, the man said, he wasn’t even upset."
"They are an endless source of amusement that somehow more than make up for all the foul poo poo diapers."
Kids doesn't have the cognitive skills of adults, so yours and their source of enjoyment is not the ultimate word on the matter. Child abuse will occur because of their poor skills, and lack of options. They will love anyone that provides them with a minimum of care, until they realize they have been scammed.
"They would only hate you if you hated yourself."
When they get to their teens, it becomes more evident, that financial, social, emotional, coercion is happening (where's all the love gonne?).
"Of course it all come down to money. If you had even a modest income that could support yourself and the child, you would find that children are far from useless."
Then they grow up, they are too old, you are too old, now they have to support you.
cousinbasil wrote:Not sure what the "it" refers to here.
Yep 'it' is ambiguous. Refers to all of it. The good, the bad, and specially the kids. : P
"We are not at the innocent age anymore."
You can't bring the argument of ignorance anymore, offspring is not magic. It's cheap and easy to prevent it.
"Since everybody dies sooner or later, it would seem that mortality would be obvious to everybody. All the more reason to enjoy life's fleeting moments."
Mortality is not obvious to children, how do you tell them when they are six: "Son, you should have had a lot of joy in your life, but now you have terminal cancer, you are going feel ill for some months and bye-bye, not my fault, if I just knew it, blame god." lol. Or if they are mentally ill.
But not only there's a chance of a pretty bad disease, but you must know that once they've hit their age, they will have to work 8 hours a day, until they are old enough to die, this impacts yours and others peoples life's, and on and on. Looking not only at your offspring, but to the 7 billion, famine, war, and slave labour, to keep with the big ones (and we're the wheels on the machine). I can't see how people are enjoying their life's, by any standard you may try to make.
"But most people never witness the death of their children. Most people do go through the death of a parent. I already have, and I didn't cry in anyone's hat or anywhere else. It was his time - I was relieved. Changing the poo-poo diapers of babies is bad enough. Changing them for one's parent is decidedly worse."
I think most people do avoid the thought of death, (why the mourning?), people will cry because they see other persons as a personal property, you should do what they tell you to do, and dying is not on the list, dead people don't do that much.
If death is unavoidable life is not. We still got to fight for basic resources. And people want joy in their life.
Besides of your ego investment and hopes for the future, why would you want to have kids?
How is having kids different from murder?
Doing something that you know will lead to someones death. After a good time of slavery.
cousinbasil wrote:Death is just a transition. Even if it were not, if it were final, it could not be wicked. That would imply a malevolent intent, which death does not have - it has no intent.
I mean that intent will cease against it's intent... That's wicked.
Alex Jacob wrote:"I could make an argument that we have to listen very, very carefully when that mocking laughter comes our way. Do you remember the scene in The Fall by Camus...on the bridge? We have to carefully listen to the ironical laughter and determine where, in fact, it comes from. And from that I would make an argument that if someone is mocking me (little old me!) I would do well to try to understand why, because at the end of all ironies...is the creator itself. There are certain kinds of laughter that if you follow them back...Well, I'll say no more. (And hope that much is implied). "
The fall, remembers me of how kids will sometimes fall and parents will laugh about it, "it is was nothing" hehe, so kids will laugh when they fall, instead of crying. Sometimes people will laugh of someone else when they fall. It's entertainment. Hehehe, but the double-think, really enters when you are on the business making slaves and killing people, "I have kids, and got to survive", hehhehe, hypocrite, now to kill is to survive, if you are surviving then why are you dying?
"He said that, he was surviving, now he is dead, in the coffin and cold, if alive we could, powerless we mourn". hehehehe.