Nick Treklis wrote:No thing, including women, has any inherent quality or purpose, and we are not inherently bound to view women or anything else in any particular manner. Whether we have evolved or been conditioned to see things a particular way is not enough to write off the idea that we can't begin to see things in more clear and conscious manner. Mind over matter, as they say.
I agree that everything is an appearance, and seeing all of them naked is useful for wisdom to the point of a total loss of values. Then if we want to keep living we must re-enter the world as a conscious scientist. No, things don't have inherent qualities, but they DO HAVE QUALITIES that while relative, are often predictable like clockwork and happen all the time. Like when we open the refrigerator on a hot day, it WILL feel cool and nice. We can be as clear, conscious, and intellectual as we like, but the experience is still there.
There ARE very common conceptions of women that people overlay onto reality (like innocence, purity, etc etc), but I will still bet that underneath all of that, a person can choose to exert his will against the natural and instinctual tendency for attraction, but that tendency is THERE. Intellectually we can view it however we like, of course, but there it is.
Then why do some men want to fuck other men? Why do some people want to fuck inanimate objects and animals?
I don't know. Why in a major river do sometimes small creeks peel off to the sides?
Or why do men NOT want to fuck their mothers, sisters, and other close female relatives? The question about the mothers and sisters might be the most revealing in that these women appear and behave just like every other women, yet we don't want to fuck them. Why is this the case?
In the case of my younger sister, I remember thinking when we were young that she smelled disgusting. To most people I don't think this was the case, but it was for me. I came across some study a few years ago that made the case that through pheromones, we unconsciously sense a persons immune system, and that what smells 'good' to us is a set of immunities different enough from our own that having sex will lead to more well-rounded genes for the children. I don't know if that has any validity, or whether my lack of attraction has to do with whatever diseases happen with inbreds, or whatever else.
And to be fair, people tell me my sister is cute, but she's very masculine and I always wondered what the fuck I'd do if she was hot and feminine. But I'm guessing there are MANY factors at work biologically that make this a rarity. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing in the animal world. So yeah, I'm still pushing biological, not psychological explanations here.
In the case of my Mom, I'm guessing there are strong brain chemicals released linked specifically to mother-child love, and which have nothing to do with whatever chemicals are released for sexuality. I feel like a very free sexual guy and I am LOOKING for crazy shit to turn me on. I couldn't give two shits about social norms of what you should and shouldn't fuck. So I am very honest with myself about not what I think I should like, but what I actually like. And thinking about doing shit with my mom DISGUSTS me. I'm sure there are biological reasons.
It seems obvious to me that we have been conditioned and arbitrarily decide not to project on to a certain handful of females our ideal of WOMAN. This fact alone is enough to prove that just the appearance of a woman alone is not enough to "trip switches" because we do in fact have the ability to choose NOT to pin certain expectations, hopes, and dreams on to women.
No way!!! Arbitrarily decide not to pin WOMAN onto certain women? If your theory is true I'd be in heaven! If it comes down to just being arbitrary I would pin what you are calling "WOMAN" on everything! I'd LIKE to fuck my mom and sister. Two more people to fuck! I'd fuck men, women, children, trees, dogs, cats, couches, houses, cars, mailboxes...EVERYTHING. I'd fuck the world all day long. Really. I would. I've always been jealous of bisexuals.
It's obvious to ME that we should not underestimate the power of the force (of nature to make people have babies!!!). As Nietzsche said, "Everything about women is a riddle, and everything about women has one solution: it is called pregnancy." My Mom gave birth to my life and I gave birth to hers!
When I see a woman and my instinct tells me she has good chances of survival and bearing healthy children, I am HORNY. When she gets close I am HORNIER. When she bends over "to pick something up" I am ON HER. Because it feels good. Again, I would LOVE IT if I could also fuck guys, and children, and everything. But I am set up specifically to impregnate women - especially the hot ones.
Low sex drive in a man has never stopped him from living for WOMAN. Old folks are a great case in point. Even if an old man who no longer has a strong sex drive doesn't all of a sudden have no use for a woman. His psychological dependency may be just as strong as it always was. So much so that he'll even go to a doctor so he can buy a drug that allows him to continue fucking the wrinkly old bag until the day he dies.
LOL.
It's human nature to seek pleasure. Maybe the person has a psychological dependency and maybe he doesn't. But if there was a pill a doctor could give me to get a boner like I did back in the 1920's, and I could cruise the nursing home looking for alztimers patients whom I could always fuck "for the first time" (or better yet go for the nurses), I think that'd be more exciting than watching Pat Sajak and Drew Carey battle it out.
Another interesting thing to think about is that early on in our species development, I highly doubt that the women appeared anything like the women of today, but men still desired them, loved them, and fucked them. Probably because the ideal WOMAN had already begun to evolve right along with our species.
Yeah, but there's smooth causation working back from today, all the way back to us being fish and plants. This reminds me of the conversation I had with David when I first got to GF. I wasn't satisfied with his explanations then, but I promised to give them a hard think. I did that, but I still did not find them convincing. Like I said back then to David, I believe you are expressing a theory that overly relies on the idea of an ego to explain most all things, most notably here, sex drive. But ego is only one TINY part of the totality. Do bears have a Woman conception? Do fish? Is that why they are fucking all the women in their species? Come on. This sounds practically like a creationist story denying overwhelming scientific evidence. It's SO OBVIOUS that this shit is built into us at a level so deep in our minds that it has NOTHING to do with our consciousness and psychology whatsoever.
"WOMAN" is useful for overcoming the society view of women, not the primitive one. It's useful for being able to recognize the appearance naked, but not for canceling out all instinctual effects it has on us anyway. It's a good conception but I think you've taken it too far.
Like you said, if a woman were to grab our dicks we'd both get a hard on. Which hole did you have in mind?
