The Real Threat to Consciousness
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:45 pm
What is the most vital threat to consciousness today? Is it Islam?
Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment
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I did think twice before posting this, perhaps I should have had a third go at it. The follow-up question offered is born of discrimination of names and appearances and so doesn't even belong to the relative plane, but rather to a complete flight of fancy, due to total imagination.Diebert van Rhijn wrote:Distraction - something increasingly indistinguishable to life and reason for so many.
Isn't that Islam afterthought seriously distracting from the question before it? Seems like some self-defeating, self-defacing habit you're showing.
No, my son, it is television. And, lately, also cell phones.BMcGilly07 wrote:What is the most vital threat to consciousness today? Is it Islam?
The moment you start distinguishing, even a little, it all eventually becomes rather obvious, step by step. But there's no manual here to give although most meditative practices as well as words of those you think have gone before you could be worthwhile. Everything basically will and can function as potential detraction, hence the often coined term emptiness in relation to consciousness.|read| wrote:How do you distinguish distracting pursuits from worthwhile and reasonable life pursuits?Diebert van Rhijn wrote:Distraction - something increasingly indistinguishable to life and reason for so many.
No, it's billy graham!BMcGilly07 wrote:What is the most vital threat to consciousness today? Is it Islam?
Sure, but let's say in the next ten years there is a groundswell movement in all of the shifting, migrating and displaced Muslim populations to adopt radical Islam and Jihad, and to spread Islam by the sword?Carl G wrote:No, my son, it is television. And, lately, also cell phones.BMcGilly07 wrote:What is the most vital threat to consciousness today? Is it Islam?
Actually there is and can be no threat to consciousness.
Those who speak the truth are often threatened, stoned, and restricted, if by no one else, by their sheep-like peers.at least we aren't threatened with death for not believing in a god, nor are we stoned for speaking the truths we do, along with countless other restrictions we are presently free of.
Threatened yes, stoned - not literally so much anymore, and restricted yes, though covertly.Carl G wrote:Those who speak the truth are often threatened, stoned, and restricted, if by no one else, by their sheep-like peers.
Radical Islam vs radical Christianity - sounds like the Bush years. The real problem is the common root cause.BMcGilly07 wrote:In the world of the relative, radical Islam is the greater evil of the two.
Speaking the truth would get me killed in a heartbeat in many places in America today, and generally persecuted in most everywhere else.BMcGilly07 wrote:That's a bit extreme, surely they're not liked but they remain a rare enough oddity to escape general persecution, except in muslim countries where that certainly holds true. In the west you would be hounded and receive disapproval and spit every which way you look, but for the most part you would escape injury.
Both are death, and both originate from the same source, and yet you see vast difference.The fact remains that radical Islam would see you put to death for your beliefs, that is far more a threat than general globalization by greedy corporations who just want to keep people fat, happy, and consuming.
Wait a minute. You think a third world person is coming into my home? I'm sooner murdered by my neighbor, some gang member of my own society, or the police.That is a threat to each individual that needs overcoming, whereas a radical extraneous third party walking into your home and putting a sword to your neck for what you think is in need of awareness as well.
Not sure what you are on about here.Movements of such a kind don't spring up over night, but the revolution rages by degree, so slowly that one may not notice it until the fatwa of universal belief is issued from some far off mosque.
Such as to the global control system. I hear you, brother. Fuck radical Islam. Next to it these are the real beasts.Religion of every kind needs to go, but more so any that would threaten death as the only alternative to devotion.
My line of thought is down the road from now, as in what evanescent threat is on the horizon for Western civilization, not what is immediately before us. While you can be killed in numerous places in America for wearing the wrong colors, at least the laws provide for your protection in this instance. Whether some ignoramus decides he doesn't like what you say and so is going to kill you isn't really in the scope of what I'm on about here. No law is going to protect you from reaction, but at least it is there in the Western world. Not so in many Sharia countries, if you even blaspheme Muhammad by implication you can be sentenced to death.Carl G wrote:Speaking the truth would get me killed in a heartbeat in many places in America today, and generally persecuted in most everywhere else.BMcGilly07 wrote:That's a bit extreme, surely they're not liked but they remain a rare enough oddity to escape general persecution, except in muslim countries where that certainly holds true. In the west you would be hounded and receive disapproval and spit every which way you look, but for the most part you would escape injury.
Ignorance is ignorance, a lazy life of apathy under democratic laws and values has a better chance at truth than the same youth under Sharia. The bedevilment and bedazzling of the world's youth by TV, iPods, video games and other such wastes of time effects the impotency of the West. It is these very distractions which will keep the West distracted long enough to make a new Jihad a real problem. Since it's inception in the seventh century Islam has been on a mission to convert the entire world, and those radicals and those youth have no such distractions. They are resolved and unwavering, willing to die for the glory of allah.Carl G wrote:Both are death, and both originate from the same source, and yet you see vast difference.The fact remains that radical Islam would see you put to death for your beliefs, that is far more a threat than general globalization by greedy corporations who just want to keep people fat, happy, and consuming.
Hyperbole, and if they had their way they certainly would.Carl G wrote:Wait a minute. You think a third world person is coming into my home? I'm sooner murdered by my neighbor, some gang member of my own society, or the police.
There is a groundswell movement in islam itself, which I witnessed first hand at a muslim sit in at University several years ago, to convert, convert, convert. And our numbers are growing, growing, growing and soon all will know the glory of allah. I had dismissed it until recent actions of president hussein, visiting a mosque in Turkey and saying that the West is not, has never been, and never will be at war with Islam. When, as the problem lies with the radicals, he should have said that the we are not at war with Islam, radical Islam is at war with us, and we will never capitulate to terrorism or any institution of sharia in democratic nations.Carl G wrote:Not sure what you are on about here.BMcGilly07 wrote:Movements of such a kind don't spring up over night, but the revolution rages by degree, so slowly that one may not notice it until the fatwa of universal belief is issued from some far off mosque.
I'm not quite sure who you mean by cartel. Are you referring to the US singly or the like of the Bildebergers?Carl G wrote:I don't think you are going deep enough. Islam is a symptom, it is not the problem you make it to be. For one thing, Islam has no money. And the money rules. The money is another name for the controlling cartel. The cartel supports radical Islam like it supported Communism and Nazism and Capitalism. It fosters -isms and sets them against each other for its own purposes. Did you know that Al Qaeda was essentially created by the CIA?
Meaning, it can be displaced, but not extinguished?Carl G wrote:No, my son, it is television. And, lately, also cell phones.BMcGilly07 wrote:What is the most vital threat to consciousness today? Is it Islam?
Actually there is and can be no threat to consciousness.
In my opinion, fundamentalism such as radical islam is a bigger threat to consciousness than corporate power. Btw, you're naive Carl if you think you can pass off all these conspiracies as fact. The small group of individuals you speak of do not have as much power as the conspiracy theorists would like to believe. The economy is very complicated, and power is spread out in hundreds of nation-states. In the developed and developing world, each has their own local number of powerful wealthy man, some are using their wealth to benefit others, while others are accumulating, wasting, expanding, and so on.I don't think you are going deep enough. Islam is a symptom, it is not the problem you make it to be. For one thing, Islam has no money. And the money rules. The money is another name for the controlling cartel. The cartel supports radical Islam like it supported Communism and Nazism and Capitalism. It fosters -isms and sets them against each other for its own purposes. Did you know that Al Qaeda was essentially created by the CIA?
No, you are naive. Islam and corporate power are both symptoms of a larger issue.Ryan Rudolph wrote:In my opinion, fundamentalism such as radical islam is a bigger threat to consciousness than corporate power. Btw, you're naive Carl if you think you can pass off all these conspiracies as fact. The small group of individuals you speak of do not have as much power as the conspiracy theorists would like to believe.
This is a childish bedtime story, a fantastic dream. And Islam is not the boogie-man. Grow up and wake up to reality.The economy is very complicated, and power is spread out in hundreds of nation-states. In the developed and developing world, each has their own local number of powerful wealthy man, some are using their wealth to benefit others, while others are accumulating, wasting, expanding, and so on.
False. Conspiracy means collusion, it does not mean not proven by academic authority. And your appeal to "academic authority" is childish. There is no such thing. Unfortunately, education is controlled as well.The effects of radical islam is proven fact, it will be written in history, but you're claims are conspiracy, meaning not proven by any academic authority. There is a huge difference there, and I hope you can see it.
Please be informed Wilder is a lunatic, a proven liar, a non-stop inconsistent ego-maniac. Bringing his name up says to me you've not thought about the issue at all. This guy is a symbol for the ongoing feminization of the mental landscape in my country. No rational being I know takes him seriously. Even a cursory glance at his 'movie' should make you cringe on the abuse of logic and lack of quality thought it displays.BMcGilly07 wrote:There are 54 million immigrant muslims in Europe, with many European families having only one or two kids to the thronging numbers being born by their muslim neighbors from Geert Wilders' address [snap]
Nat was right about you being a Nazi. Just kill everybody who you perceive as a threat to your government administration. You don't believe in the idea of free speech at all. You'd have so many political prisoners that there would be no place to put them.There are a few clerics who speech regularly to younger audiences, and in their speeches, they incite hatred, violence, and intolerance towards the very country that they live in. As a government, guys like that should be arrested, and even privately assassinated in secret, if they have a lot of power and influence.