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Alex,

When you have to tuck it into your shoe, let me know.

David,
Aw, Anna. You swoon the moment anyone gives the slightest hint that they might be pointing vaguely in some sort of otherworldly direction. You're a sucker for it.
Oh, maybe, but I also have known him for a few years, since the PG forum. I have always found him level, consistent, intelligent.

So Tomas, what did you think of the banning of Sam and did you think he was as annoying as they make out?
(can you answer and still remain in those good graces?)
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Because I'm not too far from there, took a road trip to Eugene, Oregon, some time back. What he says about the 80-acre spread is true...Had to see what was happening as he was under attack from most every side (including Carl, Dan, Ramayana, you, and a bit from David, prince, Shah). He is a psychotherapist, a mason, a former hippie, a biker, AND a pretty big dude who'd kick your ass if he still thought that way or messed with his "family circle".
Alright then, Tomas, there's just one more thing we need you to verify. About that penis...
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Iolaus wrote:
Aw, Anna. You swoon the moment anyone gives the slightest hint that they might be pointing vaguely in some sort of otherworldly direction. You're a sucker for it.
Oh, maybe, but I also have known him for a few years, since the PG forum. I have always found him level, consistent, intelligent.

Your propensity for swooning at the merest hint of God talk blinds you, alas.

So Tomas, what did you think of the banning of Sam and did you think he was as annoying as they make out?
(can you answer and still remain in those good graces?)
Tomas would have to change dramatically before I would even consider being on his case. He is free to say whatever he likes, as I'm sure he already does in any case.

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Tomas wrote:
Carl G wrote:Interesting post, Tomas.

You actually met the man?
Sent you a PM

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I have not received it.
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iolaus,
Alright then, Tomas, there's just one more thing we need you to verify. About that penis...
Mikiel already confessed he lied about that part. Case closed.


David said to iolaus,
Tomas would have to change dramatically before I would even consider being on his case. He is free to say whatever he likes, as I'm sure he already does in any case.
All right! Tomas is in good graces.

If only Laird were half as lucky.

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Carl writes:

"I have not received it."

If you do, and if it has clickable links, be careful, brother, be careful!

David admonishes:

"Your propensity for swooning at the merest hint of God talk blinds you, alas".

The god-idea is almost always there, even if the rational mind pretends to find a way around it. That is what I have learned, and I think this is coming close to a 'truth'. With you, the god-idea is very alive, it is there in what you think and write, but you have limited your palette, and define god in a peculiar way---but it is there nevertheless. It is a question of definition.

Tomas,

This is a link to a national ad:

Dior Addict.

Don't be afraid, it is a legal ad with no nudity. I submit that this image has pornographic tones and currents (note the beckoning sparkle on her undergarment) far in excess of the rather stately nude of Nicolas Sarkozy's (recent) wife. That semi-nude actually had a noble element. Isn't it funny that, on the American scene, we are forced to 'double-think' when it comes to erotic and pornographic images and ideas?

Sarkozy Drunk?
Bush Drunk?
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Alex Jacob wrote:Carl writes:

"I have not received it."

If you do, and if it has clickable links, be careful, brother, be careful!

David admonishes:

"Your propensity for swooning at the merest hint of God talk blinds you, alas".

The god-idea is almost always there, even if the rational mind pretends to find a way around it. That is what I have learned, and I think this is coming close to a 'truth'. With you, the god-idea is very alive, it is there in what you think and write, but you have limited your palette, and define god in a peculiar way---but it is there nevertheless. It is a question of definition.

Tomas,

This is a link to a national ad:

Dior Addict.

Don't be afraid, it is a legal ad with no nudity. I submit that this image has pornographic tones and currents (note the beckoning sparkle on her undergarment) far in excess of the rather stately nude of Nicolas Sarkozy's (recent) wife. That semi-nude actually had a noble element. Isn't it funny that, on the American scene, we are forced to 'double-think' when it comes to erotic and pornographic images and ideas?

Sarkozy Drunk?
Bush Drunk?

You're not getting it yet, Alex. I have a lovely wife, and have no interest in whatever you are pushing in your links.

Most of the time you are an interesting read. However, the internet reaches people of all ages, so in one respect, you are pushing porn off on little children who are not prepared for it.

If you wanna start a thread on nude art of whatever your mind is capable of conjuring up as passing for an enlightened path to genius, PM David, Dan for a heads-up on their opinion.

As far as Bush goes, I had a couple drinks with him back in 1978, Sugar Land, Texas nightclub. He ran for a House seat in 1978. I was a non-partisan political consultant (specializing in winning elections at any cost) in an earlier time. Been there, done that.


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Slow down there, partner. The commercial culture that surrounds you and all of us is engaged in presenting mind-twisting porn, and I have no relationship at all to it. The Dior ad is from a national ad by Dior that appeared everywhere, but I saw it mostly in airports. I can't think of any instance, aside from with the semi-nude photograph of Sarkozy's wife, that I have included a link to any pornographic image, so be clear about your insinuations.

Enlightened path to genius? What makes you think I have any interest in such an absurd goal?
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Tomas,
As far as Bush goes, I had a couple drinks with him back in 1978, Sugar Land, Texas nightclub.
I wouldn't brag about that.

I was a non-partisan political consultant (specializing in winning elections at any cost) in an earlier time.
Your advise seems to have worked well, and was part of a process of making this world a worse place to live, for us and for our children and grandchildren. Are you happy yet?

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-Shahrazad-
Tomas,

-tomas-
Yes, Dear? (and what's for dinner)?

-tomas admits earlier-
As far as Bush goes, I had a couple drinks with him back in 1978, Sugar Land, Texas nightclub.




-Shahrazad-
I wouldn't brag about that.

-tomas-
And why not? He was a pleasant fellow that evening, a bit buzzed perhaps, but he was only 32, and single.

I knew who his daddy was and the Prescott Bush/Herbert Walker/Adolph Hitler connection.

-tomas-
I was a non-partisan political consultant (specializing in winning elections at any cost) in an earlier time.




-Shahrazad lovingly gazes-
Your advise seems to have worked well,

-tomas throws up his arms-
He lost the election, but he didn't hire me (our consultancy group) either...




-Shahrazad-
and was part of a process of making this world a worse place to live,

-tomas tries not to repeat himself-
As I've stated before here at Genius, that's where I was at that time-frame of life. One day I woke up, noticed that I was drowning, then sought out after my time was up (that election cycle). However, I still advise, but no fees. No guilt, whatsoever.




-Shahrazad holds hands with Hillary-
for us and for our children and grandchildren.

-tomas-
You musta doped me with some bad-assed meds (as I'm a super-light drinker) and did you let my wife in on your plan? What year did you say we did the wild thang? Did my wife get to watch? Or was I still donating to spore banks at that time, er, must be the Alzheimer's kicking in.

Dang it, was it at the Playboy Club in Denver :-)




-Shahrazad-
Are you happy yet?

-tomas-
Depends if you look as good now as you did then :-|


PS - This is the way the poli-tics (many blood-sucking creatures) operate, in the USA.

I protested VietNam before being drafted, only entered the military to avoid Ft. Leavenworth and live with the roosters in their cages.

Happy to have discovered Genius Forums 6-7 years ago and now, all is well and it will end when it does.

Wife & I have a 10-year child to raise to adulthood, she reads here on occasion. The other five are adults and when they each announced, 'They are outta the nest', that's it! - they are not allowed back in except for short visits. Our one son has had some problems so we ($financially$) helped him get a pad to ground himself in, he's got a couple jobs but it's anyones guess? how he will end up and where.

Right now, we're back in North Dakota for some R&R. I'm invited to a powwow on Thursday/Friday, get back to my roots. Raised near Arikara, Hidasta, Mandan (Three Affiliated Tribes Rez) and this is all I know.

As Cher said: "Turn back time" - well, yes - no. Alpha-Omega? Beginning-End Who knows?


Be well, Shah. Raise that last child as only an enlightened mother can do :-)


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Alex Jacob wrote:The god-idea is almost always there, even if the rational mind pretends to find a way around it. That is what I have learned, and I think this is coming close to a 'truth'.
It really depends on how much a person loves to indulge in fantasies. The more they enjoy it, the more the idea flourishes.

It's like Santa Claus. The little child thinks something like "Are the prezzies from Santa or from my parents? I've only heard people talk laughingly about Santa, like it's a joke. Yes, it must be a joke. My parents are teasing me...." If the child likes to play along with the joke, and enjoys the whole imaginative game, then it will probably keep the illusion going well into adulthood. But another child who is interested in psychology, and how to get prezzies, will focus on the real source of them. They'll discard the fantasies rapidly.
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Alex Jacob wrote: David admonishes:

"Your propensity for swooning at the merest hint of God talk blinds you, alas".

The god-idea is almost always there, even if the rational mind pretends to find a way around it. That is what I have learned, and I think this is coming close to a 'truth'. With you, the god-idea is very alive, it is there in what you think and write, but you have limited your palette, and define god in a peculiar way---but it is there nevertheless. It is a question of definition.

Life is surely comical. Whenever I reduce God down to utterly everything, people immediately starting thinking it is too limiting and restrictive.

There is nothing wrong with the God-idea as such, but if people are swooning and losing their ability to discriminate logically because of it, then it becomes a very harmful attachment. Religions are full of people who swoon the moment their gurus open their mouths. It is an ugly sight.

Enlightened path to genius? What makes you think I have any interest in such an absurd goal?
Well, we all know how much you love that fog .....

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Kelly Jones wrote:
Alex Jacob wrote:The god-idea is almost always there, even if the rational mind pretends to find a way around it. That is what I have learned, and I think this is coming close to a 'truth'.
It really depends on how much a person loves to indulge in fantasies. The more they enjoy it, the more the idea flourishes.

It's like Santa Claus. The little child thinks something like "Are the prezzies from Santa or from my parents? I've only heard people talk laughingly about Santa, like it's a joke. Yes, it must be a joke. My parents are teasing me...." If the child likes to play along with the joke, and enjoys the whole imaginative game, then it will probably keep the illusion going well into adulthood. But another child who is interested in psychology, and how to get prezzies, will focus on the real source of them. They'll discard the fantasies rapidly.
It really depends on how much a person loves to indulge in pseudo-psychology.
David Quinn wrote:There is nothing wrong with the God-idea as such, but if people are swooning and losing their ability to discriminate logically because of it, then it becomes a very harmful attachment. Religions are full of people who swoon the moment their gurus open their mouths. It is an ugly sight.
This is putting a rather negative spin on it, but you are quite correct. The crowd mentality is easily taken over, it seems. Especially in America can you find a convenient crowd of people to join if you have a need for public swooning.

Hey, David: "There is nothing wrong with the God-idea as such"? Nice of you to give Him a pass!
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Tomas,
I knew who his daddy was and the Prescott Bush/Herbert Walker/Adolph Hitler connection.
His daddy hadn't invaded Panama yet, so maybe I would've talked to him too. Right now I'd just egg his face, but I doubt he'd get close enough to me for me to do that.

-tomas- I was a non-partisan political consultant (specializing in winning elections at any cost) in an earlier time.

-Shahrazad - Your advise seems to have worked well,

-tomas - He lost the election, but he didn't hire me (our consultancy group) either...
Thanks for clarifying. You're ok, then.

-Shahrazad- Are you happy yet?

-tomas- Depends if you look as good now as you did then :-|
There's no way that I look as good now as I did then. Time has taken away the great looks, but has left a lot of experience and maturity instead. Good trade-off, in my opinion.

Happy to have discovered Genius Forums 6-7 years ago and now, all is well and it will end when it does.
Funny that you and I did not meet until a couple of years ago.

Wife & I have a 10-year child to raise to adulthood, she reads here on occasion.
And you're not worried about her seeing you saying "yes, dear" to a bachelorette? Or do you and her have an open marriage?

The other five are adults and when they each announced, 'They are outta the nest', that's it! - they are not allowed back in except for short visits.
I am finding out now that that is easier said than done. I did not quite believe older women when they told me that motherhood was forever.

Right now, we're back in North Dakota for some R&R. I'm invited to a powwow on Thursday/Friday, get back to my roots. Raised near Arikara, Hidasta, Mandan (Three Affiliated Tribes Rez) and this is all I know.
Enjoy your powow. Are you First Nations?

Be well, Shah. Raise that last child as only an enlightened mother can do :-)
I'm doing my best, and I seem to be getting the hang of it now, after all these years. Pretty much the story of my life -- by the time I get real good at something, it's almost over.

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brokenhead wrote:
David Quinn wrote:There is nothing wrong with the God-idea as such, but if people are swooning and losing their ability to discriminate logically because of it, then it becomes a very harmful attachment. Religions are full of people who swoon the moment their gurus open their mouths. It is an ugly sight.
This is putting a rather negative spin on it, but you are quite correct.

It is both correct and negative spin?

The crowd mentality is easily taken over, it seems. Especially in America can you find a convenient crowd of people to join if you have a need for public swooning.
It's everywhere, really. Rock concerts, sporting events, political elections, Nazi rallies, Buddhist temples, Christian churches - it's very pervasive. The human race is a race of swooners.

Hey, David: "There is nothing wrong with the God-idea as such"? Nice of you to give Him a pass!
Only the God of wise people receives my pass.

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DQ wrote:It is both correct and negative spin?
Well, yes. "Gurus" can open their mouths and say intelligent, inspiring things as well as moronic, self-promoting things. Not long ago here in my hometown of Philadelphia, Obama gave a half-hour speech about race in America. It made the hair on my neck stand up. Not everybody has an agenda that will destroy the sages' work.
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But apparently Obama does.
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Carl G wrote:But apparently Obama does.
How so? he appears to be a normal politician playing normal games, nothing extraordinary.
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There is nothing ordinary about Obama, he represents something truly unique on the American political scene. He is both an expression of the essence of Americanism in the original sense as well as a radical departure from it. He represents a phase in American politics, and with global implications, that is very unique and also strange.

I can think of no politician, ever, who has said that a radical interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount would pretty much do away with the American defense department. That is just one example of some pretty strange points of view. To have an American president who has actively studied Liberation Theology and understands its implications, is nothing short of completely extraordinary.

His election will represent an extraordinary political test and experiment, and has great import for the American republic. Significantly more important and more relevant than John Kennedy.
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Our very own Alexandria still has to be cured from her burning fever. What on Earth could ever put out her flames?

Liberation of the poor and oppressed, this feverish fire in the minds of so many political aspirators - this lies at the core of the ordinary aspect here. Actually it's a totally misunderstood expression of the same old power game wearing a multi-colored coat. A denied ugly instinct, invited in through the back door wearing a funny hat.

The whole theology or ideology that keeps on preaching it is proving to be corrupt to the bone, millions of rotten corpses are cursing it daily from their graves. How much more have to die in vain before sanity will reveal the mad missionary, virtual visionary politics we seem to be stuck with as remainder of Church?
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[All links are squeaky-clean and clickable safe, boys and girls. No nead to herd the l'il ones out of the room].

A few things: I didn't say that Obama's brand of politics, or his aspirations, or his imbibing of the message of Liberation Theology was to my liking, necessarily. The frame I have for life here, or the theatrical stage of life that I recognize, is essentially tragic. But on that stage all sorts of interesting acts take place, with all sorts of interesting costumes, scenery, and musical score will appear, and it is up to the actors to do their best with the materials given them by the producers.

Okay, so if it is true that We Want Change! (Say that like you really, really mean it! Get your body into it! Allow the song to sound through you like in a Mystic Rave!), and if this is the song people really want to start singing, then they should be given that chance, or in any case this is one of those unique moments in history when they may succeed in getting that chance. Then, perhaps, they will get to see just how implicated they are in the crime and cruelty that rules and directs the present. If they really and truly understood what it means to be so implicated in the structure of things, then they would also have the chance to get more responsible, and the fact is neither of us can definitely say what may result from that. There are so many twists and turns in history.

And if it turns out that the core meaning of Liberation Theology is 'rotten to the core', which by the way is a little broad as a condemnation, and somewhat meaningless as a result, they will also have a chance to see that, because they will have lived it.

The 'cure' of poverty is getting and handling wealth, and gaining an ownership interest. When that happens, the former 'poor' gain a new relationship to the structure of things. Imperfectly carried out, that though is one of the meanings of the American experiment (in a land plundered from the former race of occupants, lest we forget).

The 'cure' for oppression is to be allowed responsible participation, to have the oppression lifted, to gain freedom of movement. But, oppression is more often than not a mental block, and so a Black president is going to have an almost incredible influence on the American polity, something never seen before. The implications are extraordinary and also dangerous.

It is worth the risk though.
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From the Hexagram No 16, Enthusiasm:

Thunder comes resounding out of the earth.
The image of ENTHUSIASM.
Thus the ancient kings made music
In order to honor merit,
And offered it with splendor
To the Supreme Deity,
Inviting their ancestors to be present.

Nine in the fourth place means:
The source of enthusiasm.
He achieves great things.
Doubt not.
You gather friends around you
As a hair clasp gathers the hair.


This describes a man who is able to awaken enthusiasm through his own
sureness and freedom from hesitation. He attracts people because he has no
doubts and is wholly sincere. Owing to his confidence in them he wins their
enthusiastic co-operation and attains success. Just as a clasp draws the hair
together and hold it, so he draws man together by the support he gives them.


For fun awhile back I cast the I-Ching asking about Obama. I thought the answer was very interesting, at least it caught my attention. The potency of the hexagram arises directly from the 'heart' of the hexagram, the fourth line, and it is the fourth line that represents someone who seizes captures hearts. The hexagram, which is imbued with Confucian political ideas, stresses that when a ruler captures men's hearts, and when their is a sort of holiness or righteousness in that sentiment, that it is only then that people can be mobilized for 'great things'. You, as an absolute cynic, of course, have no understanding of such things, but I submit to you (I may have to eat my words) that some 'great things' will be accomplished, and as I said they will express aspects of Americanism that are as old as the republic, but also new elements that have never before been expressed. Nothing in this crazy world is perfect, of course, but that doesn't really matter.

"Rulers have made use of this natural taste for music; they elevated and
regulated it. Music was looked upon as something serious and holy, designed
to purify the feelings of men. It fell to music to glorify the virtues of heroes
and thus to construct a bridge to the world of the unseen. In the temple men
drew near to God with music and pantomimes (out of this later the theater
developed). Religious feeling for the Creator of the world was united with
the most sacred of human feelings, that of reverence for the ancestors. The
ancestors were invited to these divine services as guests of the Ruler of
Heaven and as representatives of humanity in the higher regions. This
uniting of the human past with the Divinity in solemn moments of
religious inspiration established the bond between God and man. The ruler
who revered the Divinity in revering his ancestors became thereby the Son of
Heaven, in whom the heavenly and the earthly world met in mystical
contact.

These ideas are the final summation of Chinese culture. Confucius has said
of the great sacrifice at which these rites were performed: "He who could
wholly comprehend this sacrifice could rule the world as though it were
spinning on his hand."

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Read some of the comments that were posted for that video, and you can see exactly the way that hearts are moved. And don't think I am advocating for emotional politics, you cynical man!

This is American idealism, emotional politics, American personalism with links back to Whitman, and awakened religious sentiment, which is at the core of this republic.

Now, we'll get a chance to see where it all tends, but don't discount these forces, ideas and sentiments.
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That video was produced by Bob Dylan's son, BTW. I find it very, very interesting to consider the vast intellectual and civil potency in so many people who have, at least, an exalted sense of what America can be. For example Bob Dylan, a fave of Obama. (Who even said he was reminded of the negative aspect of American politics when he heard BD's Maggie's Farm!)

She talks to all the servants
about man & God & law
everybody says shes the brains behind Pa
She's 68 but she says she's 54!
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
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maestro wrote:
Carl G wrote:But apparently Obama does.
How so? he appears to be a normal politician playing normal games, nothing extraordinary.
Brokenhead wrote that "Gurus" can open their mouths and say intelligent, inspiring things as well as moronic, self-promoting things. Not long ago here in my hometown of Philadelphia, Obama gave a half-hour speech about race in America. It made the hair on my neck stand up. Not everybody has an agenda that will destroy the sages' work."

Apparently Broke was 'inspired' to feel emotional such that the hair stood up on his neck. Whether out of fear or elation, this significant rise triggered by Obama destroyed, to some extent at least, 'the sage's work' (as it is envisioned by QRS) in Broken, that of obviating emotions.
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Tomas:
Because I'm not too far from there, took a road trip to Eugene, Oregon, some time back. What he says about the 80-acre spread is true...Had to see what was happening as he was under attack from most every side (including Carl, Dan, Ramayana, you, and a bit from David, prince, Shah). He is a psychotherapist, a mason, a former hippie, a biker, AND a pretty big dude who'd kick your ass if he still thought that way or messed with his "family circle".
I really don't know what his game is, but the above is all a lie. He never visited our trust or met me personally... or verifiied my "resume."
Never-the-less, the facts about my life, including my "incredibly high" IQ and academic history, my awakening, and the fruits of "God's wil" manifesting our commumity are true as I've presented them here. I, unlike Tomas *do not lie.* This is important. Way more important than all the wise-cracks, sarcasm, melodramas farces.

Just to keep this little arena of egoic confrontation (and humor) in perspective.
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Shah: (Mon, 28th)
(Just cruising, late night. This one tickled me.)
(1) Nobody believes you.
(2) Nobody is impressed.
(3) You are unwilling to show the slightest evidence to back up your claims.
(4) We're getting tired of your little game.
Does logic include information input? (empiricism. ) Old argument here!
If you said, " I don't believe you," I would accept your opinionated prejudice against me.
But can you see the absurdity of your assertion that "nobody" believes me? (Have you actually taken a poll of the forum?)
Likewise, "Nobody is impressed."
Nobody? How do you know for sure? I grant that the majority here agrees with you, but the majority can become a tyranny of prejudicial bias... a cult like this one... and then make absurd generalizations like yours above... to which the indoctrinated nod in robotic/programed acquiescence .

I have honestly explained the reason for my unwillingness to "blow my cover.) You have no idea what I have "seen" beyond normal vision which would interest the military establishment. (It is easy to dismiss such statements as crazy, but I am a pro on what crazy is, and I am telling the confidentiual truth about my need for confidentiality from military invasion of my mind.

You, are getting tired of my testimony here, as are the Trio and their acolytes. It challenges the dogma of the cult. i understand.
Back scratching and ego stroking is so much more pleasurable.
Tough shit!
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mikiel wrote:Tomas:
Because I'm not too far from there, took a road trip to Eugene, Oregon, some time back. What he says about the 80-acre spread is true...Had to see what was happening as he was under attack from most every side (including Carl, Dan, Ramayana, you, and a bit from David, prince, Shah). He is a psychotherapist, a mason, a former hippie, a biker, AND a pretty big dude who'd kick your ass if he still thought that way or messed with his "family circle".
I really don't know what his game is, but the above is all a lie. He never visited our trust or met me personally... or verifiied my "resume."
Never-the-less, the facts about my life, including my "incredibly high" IQ and academic history, my awakening, and the fruits of "God's wil" manifesting our commumity are true as I've presented them here. I, unlike Tomas *do not lie.* This is important. Way more important than all the wise-cracks, sarcasm, melodramas farces.

Just to keep this little arena of egoic confrontation (and humor) in perspective.
mikiel,

I never said I visited the trust, or met you personally. Do you have a reading dyslexia?

Are you a mason?

Are you a psychotherapist?

All one need to do is look in a phone book to see if you have a business titled: Michael Mooney Masonry ... was I imagining that? Or, your home address in a City Directory at the public library.

Asking generalized questions (or like a simple background check for $80) about someone doesn't require understand kosmos-cosmology.

We were travelling up to Washington state anyway, so I checked about town for a couple hours playing tourist and asking simplified questions about business in general. Now if you were the mayor or something like that I'd have gone about it a different way but visting your commune was never a priority. Driving near it was confirmation enough for me (that it existed) and never once thought about "meeting you" entered my mind.

Once again, where in my prior writing did I state that I "met" you, and/or "visited" the 80-acre spread?




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