GOD can create GOD ???

[ketek]

is GOD can create GOD ???

can it be done ???

what is your answer of this question ???

i will give my answer about this question , but for now i challenge you all to seek about the answer for my question.............

I share several percent of my knowledge to all of you by giving you this question..........

thank you

Ketek

[Trevor Salyzyn]

Definitionally speaking, yes: x always implies x, and not-x always implies not-x. It is a perfect causal relationship.

Please don't add any more nerd to this forum.

[Kevin Solway]

is GOD can create GOD ???

Do you mean, is God self-created?

It depends how you define "God".

What is your definition of "God".

[Dan Rowden]

is GOD can create GOD ???

Oh, yes, the already extant creating itself makes a lot of sense. Not.

[Trevor Salyzyn]

Three people. Three different answers. Can GOD create GOD ???

a) yes
b) maybe ???
c) no

Let's let America be the judge.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

GOD can create GOD ???

Define god as the whole of creation including all potential and be done with it.

{"God god god God?"}

[Pincho Paxton]

God can't create God. God has to be eternal. There always has to be something that is eternal. I would say that at least 2 or 3 things in the universe have to be eternal. I prefer 2 or 3 forms of plasma, or matter than a God.

[Carl G]

I share several percent of my knowledge to all of you by giving you this question..........

thank you

Ketek

Thank you, oh, Great Ketek!

I am always suspicious of one who begins a thread with his first post. It is like a house guest who fails to wipe his feet when first coming through the door. Just an observation: usually this portends a short visit.

[Garthanield]

In a conventional Juadic-Christian sense? No.
Firstly, I would argue that God is eternal, and is therefore a prime mover, with no creator, not even himself.
Secondly, God is a being which is conditionless- that is, he, she or it is not bound by anything the universe can fathom up.
Finally, the word for creator means to be mad out of nothing, which I think makes the entire thing a paradox- once again imposing the necessity of paradoxes for the existence of God.
God does not need a creator- this was recognised as early as the 2nd century, by Aquinas. Since God has no conditions, he doesn't even 'exist' in the sense we call it.
Of course, out language is completely inadequate in describing God- because it puts conditions on him.
So in answer to your question, no. But, then again, he could, since he is a conditionless being.
But what reason would he have?

[Jason]

God does not need a creator- this was recognised as early as the 2nd century, by Aquinas.

Thomas Aquinas? He lived during the 13th century.

[RectusFemoris]

Oh, so this is the old dichotomy.

"God is perfect."

"Can god create a stone so big he can't lift it himself?"

"But if he cannot lift it, he isn't perfect!"

"But if he cannot create it, he isn't perfect!"

"Logical outcome : God isn't perfect. God cannot exist."

A brilliant deduction, sir, sprawling with wit. Only that, as some others have stated before, God is defined by things beyond our comprehension.

[ChaoticMelody]

That is the paradox of a deity like God.

The real question is How can something perfect create something imperfect like humanity.

Ponder that

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ketek on Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:28 am

is GOD can create GOD ??? can it be done ???

The answer to your question is to un-ask it.

When did you stop beating your wife?
Are you not confused?
Yes?
No?

The answers you receive will be observations on linguistics and semantics, not God.

[RectusFemoris]

That is the paradox of a deity like God.

The real question is How can something perfect create something imperfect like humanity.

Ponder that

Perfection means that he is all-powerful. He knows all, sees all, and can accomplish anything.

Imperfection can only be contained in the bounds of perfection. As such, it is impossible to imagine that God is incapable to create something imperfect - because he knows exactly all the imperfections. In the event he created everything there is, he must have a reason to have let imperfections be.

[ChaoticMelody]

But for him to create something imperfect would defy the premise of him being perfect.

Perfection means he CANNOT make mistakes, He will make something "Perfect" where there cannot be a better instance of his creation.

God cannot be perfect because we have seen him make mistakes..

IE. He was all knowing, Yet he attempted to test adam and eve when he already knew the result.
IE2. Through his misaction he allowed evil, pain, suffering etc to come to exist.

That's just 2 examples of the imperfections of gods work.

Thus he is imperfect.

Perfection can only be attained within a fragment of imperfection for the imperfect perfectionist!

[Carl G]

Those are not examples of imperfection necessarily.

[ChaoticMelody]

Yes they are. If he is Omnibenevolent and he allowed suffering to exist, it means his choices where flawed

If he could have made a better choice his actual choice is imperfect.

[Dan Rowden]

But are the various "omni" states attributed to God even logical? In what sense could God be benevolent before creation anyway? Such a dualistic concept doesn't seem to make any sense when attributed to God.

[ChaoticMelody]

Of course they aren't logical, Especially given detail on gods flaws in the bible (Where he defies himself) Multiple times.

It is all Highly illogical!

[Dan Rowden]

Indeed. It's no good constructing seeming paradoxes with relation to God with flawed or illogical concepts. What would "omnibenevolence" look like? It is actually logically possible? If not, then applying it to God or anything else is foolish.

[ChaoticMelody]

Well christians are a foolish bunch.

[Dan Rowden]

Sure, no real argument there, but of course it behooves us to have very solid reasons for asserting such a thing. Some of the world's most prominent atheists tend to offer ones that are themselves pretty crappy.

[ChaoticMelody]

But I backup my arguements with Logical proof.

Christians use only fools proof... Circular logic

Their ignorance is ridiculous..... Despite mans evolution to what we are today, You still get people who prefer to live in the stone age.

[kingdomofgod123]

Yes God can create God by his blessings and and love. To keep his children happy in this world.
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[Kevin Solway]

Did you know that anything you accomplish in your life is meaningless unless you give yourself to God.

What is your definition of "God"? What is this "God" you are talking about? A conscious being of some sort?

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