The Quest(ion)!

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
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The Quest(ion)!

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Transcending space and time : Enlightenment?
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All around you see the coupling of individuals, attraching to themselves what they 'are' - what they lack! If an enlightened one, with the ability to sculpt, discovered their partner - what of that?

I 'know' the weakness of 'love' - but, what about Love? - Agape!

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Hey sevens,

My model of the idea of 'enlightenment'would include 'transcending space and time', we do it when we see 'time' (direction of realities movement...expansion-synergy-entropy) and 'space' (vibrational field) and learn to live and operate as eternal consciousness instead of believing and acting as a mammal(Homo Sapien).

Reminds me of this image from the matrix:
<img src="http://www.terminalstudio.com/screens/matrix/big1.jpg" style="border:0;"/>
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Thinker23,

I enjoy your imagery - and the picture! When we no longer conceive of our 'self' as an irrational number, but refine it to One - we blow up any, and all - black holes!
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Quote:Quote:<hr>Transcending space and time : Enlightenment?<hr>


Now how exactly does one move beyond space/time, isn’t the very act of transcending, dependent on space and time?
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Shift your thought between the abstract and the literal. In this context, 'transcending space and time' means: eliminating the gravity of cause and effect. Ironically, you envelope space and time - cause and effect.
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1=1!

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1=1!
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i personally think 1=230991004020301 also.
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Re: The Question

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When we no longer conceive of our 'self' as an irrational number, but refine it to One - we blow up any, and all - black holes!
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Hey sevens,
Could you go into more detail there?


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Shift your thought between the abstract and the literal. In this context, 'transcending space and time' means: eliminating the gravity of cause and effect. Ironically, you envelope space and time - cause and effect.
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What's the physical result of this sevens?


Hi Nox23...are we related (23?<img src="http://members.cox.net/sharonmills/dogsmile" style="border:0;"/>)

Your question...
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Now how exactly does one move beyond space/time, isn’t the very act of transcending, dependent on space and time? <hr>

I'll explain my experience (I've been researching and experimenting with this for 32 years)

First what's the norm here.

<img src="http://shopping.discovery.com/Discovery ... vhs_lg.jpg" style="border:0;"/>
It's a fact that human beings are animals/mammals in the genus Homo. A little observation of our behavior reinforces that...even today (some estimate millions of years since our first recognizable ancestor), most of our activities are all about survival, sex, and pecking order in the tribe...even at the highest level (Bush, Blair, etc.) are territorial Alpha male mammals doing their thing.

As animals on a planet we naturally adapt to our environment and this includes accepting things on a surface level....space is a real thing (the ground and atmosphere) and space is the distance between objects.
'Time' for the most part is how we compare the movement of our planet to smaller movements...ie:day and night, day (axis), year (around sun), from there divisions hours, minutes, seconds, etc.

My point here is:
In our identity as mammals this two ideas are concrete and seem undeniable (all hail Aristotle!)

Now wbat about this transition:
What is the tranisition?
<img src="http://www.cicap.org/img_pub/varie/pra-aura.jpg" style="border:0;"/>
I believe the next evolutionary stage for human beings is a transition to living and knowing ourself as energy or consciousness (I know those words aren't exactly interchangable but I like the word energy and if we can consider 'energy' as conscious I prefer that word).
I believe we are more than the collective view of our bodies parts, that we are points of consciousness.

So if we break down reality to the energetic level...
what is it?
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What is reality?
I believe it is eternal energy oscillating between a primary vibration (dormant level) and a complex series of vibrations (when it divides...active level).

Seen in that light we (as points of consciousness) are divisions of the primal energy in this dance of energy in eternity.

We are energy that has gained intelligence through experience and the ability to store memories of movements we have made.

Space and time then becomes so many more movements of the larger activity of energy osciliating and we can experiment with effecting reality on that level.
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Re: The Question

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Quote:Quote:<hr>Shift your thought between the abstract and the literal.<hr>

There is a form of thought that resides between the two, what is it called?



Quote:Quote:<hr> In this context, 'transcending space and time' means: eliminating the gravity of cause and effect. Ironically, you envelope space and time - cause and effect.<hr>

How do I do that and are you enveloping as well?


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Quote:Quote:<hr>Hi Nox23...are we related<hr>

Hello. I do not think so.
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Shifting your focus between the abstract and the literal is crucial to fully comprehending the written word <<->> your 'self' <<->> and Reality. There is a form of thought that transcends the two - it is 'emptiness.'

Many enlightening texts are available on David Quinn's Website. I wholly recommend immersing yourself there to acheive this ideal. Harness it - and make it your own.

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Thanks Seven for the explanation.
I'm famiiliar with the Buddhist practice of 'emptiness'.
I was really asking about your reference to black holes and numbers?
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Thinker23,

Black holes : The trappings of time and cause and effect (unconsciousness)

Irrational number : chaos in the psyche
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Plllleeeeeeesssseeeee homes...
I know what a blck holes, etc, is (or I can look it up)
I'm talking about how YOU put this together to form your view.

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I spelled it out. Read it!

(Not literally, homes).
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Never mind.
Jeeezzzze.
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Quote:Quote:<hr>Shifting your focus between the abstract and the literal is crucial to fully comprehending the written word <<->> your 'self' <<->> and Reality. There is a form of thought that transcends the two - it is 'emptiness.'<hr>

So is shifting my focus the same as shifting my thought?

If this empty thought moves beyond the abstract and the literal, why then did you stress the imperative nature of shifting between the two?

Are there thoughts that are not empty?
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Thinker23,

I wonder if you could stop inserting graphics into your posts. They are not welcome on this site. If you want to direct people's atention to a particular image, then please just post the link itself.

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Hey Nox23,

In this instance, 'focus' and 'thought' are interchangeable.

'Emptiness' is the removal of conceptual thought, allowing for a direct perception of Reality - the infinite 'causal flow.'

In order to progress, you must first harness the ability to shift your focus between abstract thought and literal interpretation - 'subjective' and 'objective' thinking. Once fused, you transcend both modes of thought: utilizing a purely intuitive understanding of phenomenon.

These intuitive processes can be retraced into order to be logically verified - but, once fully developed, even verification is transcended. How can that be? - an intutive flash sparks your mind, and Reality completes the thought.

The path is a treachous one - be forewarned. When beginning to deeply introspection, use caution and logic.
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OK Edited by: Thinker23 at: 7/6/05 22:39
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T23, for the unenlightened(I'm here!), please explain.

You suggest people are alienated from existence so separate their I-dentity or consciousness (means of I-denification) from reality.

They, in effect, exist within a protective blackhole (false consciousness or identity) and regard the space outside them as non-existence - a threat to their being.

To explode this blackhole they must bring in mind-space (accept emptiness) until their illusion becomes unsustainable and inverts itself.

Interesting... that for people to become enlightened (to in effect, stop controlling their thoughts or identity and accept that they prefer "non-existence" over existence) it goes agains their survival instincts.

But isn't the nub of the problem fighting the death-drive (or survival instinct) thus making it stronger? It sure doesn't kill it.

Sorry, I write so abstract, but I think you understand.
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Hey Wizdum you asked:
Quote:Quote:<hr>But isn't the nub of the problem fighting the death-drive (or survival instinct) thus making it stronger? It sure doesn't kill it.<hr>

SInce the essence of our being is already this eternal 'stuff' maybe a true experience of ourself will help us to overcome it
OR
maybe as long as we're in these forms(mammals) there's no escape????
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A direct experience of our 'true essence' would still be a manifestation of our mind. So, it is only fitting that to overcome this draining 'survival instinct' we must fully live through our mind - a pure mind, free of all delusion. This does not mean, however, that we automatically drop our will. It is possible to balance light and iron. Not all desire is diseased.
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There is nothing called enlightenment.

Yet there is a reality , you all yet experience it because you all are living in illusional world.
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Unknown,

Go float away into the 'unknown.'

If you aren't going to use words, stop stratching at the door.
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