Hitler, Genius or no?

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi »

Suge wrote:
It's remarkable how a thread on Hitler transmutes into speculation on the colour of Jesus.
But not all that remarkable.

Plainly La is pro-Hitler and the very idea that Jesus might not be Aryan is an issue.

Nazism.

I think La is a Nazi. In fact, I am certain of it. I think he is spamming Nazism.

So much for enlightened moderation.

Faizi
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Doesn't smell like a nazi to me, more like a teenager.

Since his name means the truth, we can conclude he is a liar at the very least.
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Post by La Verdad »

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Post by La Verdad »

Plainly La is pro-Hitler and the very idea that Jesus might not be Aryan is an issue.
hmm.
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Jesus was not WASP.
Well it's kinda difficult to be protestant when you antedate protestantism (and the things it protests against to boot) :P

As for Jesus being brown that's not very probable. Jewish for sure, but brown? For that to be true the demographics of the Levant would've had to have changed substantially sometime between then and more recent history in a way that can't be explained without modern transportation, not to mention we lack any evidence for these migrations.

It would also mean every artistic representation of Jesus that exists today is wrong.
Hope you didn't manage to miss it this time around.
Either you have a problem with reading comprehension or the ability to debate dispassionately.
I don't believe in your silly god, or have more than a passing interest in what color his 'son' was, though if you state the founder of one of the biggest religions on earth is a different race then virtually everyone believes than someone is bound to disagree - especially when you expect people to swallow your bs without providing a shred of proof.
Don't expect people to fold intellectually at your first hissy-fit.
I think La is a Nazi. In fact, I am certain of it. I think he is spamming Nazism.
At least I can go to my grave happy in the knowledge that I never once spammed estrogen. ^_^
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Post by La Verdad »

Doesn't smell like a nazi to me, more like a teenager.

Since his name means the truth, we can conclude he is a liar at the very least.
19 fyi. :P

Since his name is truth we can conclude he is a liar? My name is La Verdad because truth is my favorite pursuit and my only love. By your logic if someone has Brett Favre as their sn they clearly must have an insidious hatred for the Packers.

You must know by now I'm a stickler for evidence. Point out once when I have lied.
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Here's some evidence for you kid.
I'll admit I don't know what's in your head, I'm just sayin what you posted didn't make any sense.
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Post by La Verdad »

I'll admit I don't know what's in your head, I'm just sayin what you posted didn't make any sense.
If this is a lie, then:

1. I do know what is in your head

or

2. what you said 'made sense' and reached a true conclusion.

(there are three more possibilities though for the sake of simplicity let's keep it at the two which are signifigant)
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lol damn dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Hitler is definitely remembered for his ideas and is very much a symbol.
Yes, he is a symbol, but he wasn't originally, just a politician who knew how to manipulate symbols among other things.

lol so basically we agree on the main point - Hitler is a symbol regardless of it's changing meanings
If we agreed on the main point of contention then what you said must've been either invalid or false i.e. it "didn't make sense"

So either:
1. "Hitler is not a symbol" (and we can certainly pick up where we left off on that argument)
2. The statement is true.
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

La Verdad:
"Hitler is not a symbol"


Never wrote that, sorry.
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Post by La Verdad »

La Verdad:
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"Hitler is not a symbol"


Never wrote that, sorry.
hmm
suergaz wrote:Bah, Hitler wasn't even a symbol. As a man of his time, as opposed to his own time (which genius amongst us will deny the opposition?) he is recalled for movements, actions, events. His thought? Not at all. He's left behind, the court of mockery won't even properly entertain him. It's enough to have one coroning de mayo making pretty with such flatulence as the existence of evil.
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Post by Pye »

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LaVerdad writes:
I've heard that an IQ of at least 115 was a requirement of every NSDAP leader. . .
This should immediately tell you of the nothingness of IQ tests and scores as regards anything connected with 'genius.' I would be completely suspicious of any mainstream quantification of intelligence, wouldn't you?

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suergaz

Post by suergaz »

La Verdad:
Hmmm
Right on, bring the noise baby.
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Post by La Verdad »

LaVerdad writes:
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I've heard that an IQ of at least 115 was a requirement of every NSDAP leader. . .

This should immediately tell you of the nothingness of IQ tests and scores as regards anything connected with 'genius.' I would be completely suspicious of any mainstream quantification of intelligence, wouldn't you?
It just shows how materialistic the 19th and 20th centuries really were - trying to guage the organic via inorganic, cold, sterile means.

Intelligence can be measured to an extent, because intelligence is mere dissection, it's actually the intelligence (albeit the more crass materialistic breed of it) that would seek to quantify genius. It simply doesn't recognize that it's trying to measure tempterature with an spedometer.
La Verdad:
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Hmmm


Right on, bring the noise baby.
Bring what noise on? Since your'e making the accusation of dishonesty the onus remains of you to prove possibilty One to disprove Two:
1. "Hitler is not a symbol" (and we can certainly pick up where we left off on that argument)
2. The statement is true.
Though I suppose the revised disjunction would look like:
1. "Hitler wasn't even a symbol"
2. The statement ["I'll admit I don't know what's in your head, I'm just sayin what you posted didn't make any sense."] is true

Wasn't before what - his suicide?
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suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Don't give me the 'true statement' bit son. All statements are true in their being statements.

Hitler didn't really become a symbol until he was over-- the swastika had to suffice.

I shouldn't take the piss in front of impressionable youngsters who call themselves "The truth" I'm a bad, bad influence. Like ritalin on rats.

Give a dog a bone.

(O man, I am a faizi ater all! :D)
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Post by La Verdad »

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Don't give me the 'true statement' bit son. All statements are true in their being statements.
"Gravity is a hoax."

Is that now true in that it's a statement?

or

Todd says "I have never told the truth in my life, this statement included."

is this true as well - in that it's a statement?
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Hitler didn't really become a symbol until he was over-- the swastika had to suffice.
Hitler was a symbol before his death.
Within Germany he represented National Socialism incarnate in the same sense that Buddha is buddhism incarnate.

He was also the authority of the German state incarnate:
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Auctoritas is the latin word for authority. According to Benveniste, it comes from the verb augeo ("to augment"): the auctor is is qui auget, the one who augments the act – or the juridical situation – of another. The English word "Author" also derives from auctoritas and augeo.

Auctoritas is used in Roman law to design the Senate's authority, as opposed to potestas ("power") or imperium, which is detained by the magistrates or the people. In the private domain, auctoritas is the auctor's characteristic: the pater familias "authorizes", that is validates and legitimates, his son's wedding in prostate. Auctoritas is a juridical power to validate, legitimate another act: in itself, it has no sense, as it has to be related to this other act. In other words, law (more generally, right) doubles and recovers life in a dialectic relationship.

Philosopher Giorgio Agamben has demonstrated the relationship between the Roman auctoritas, Max Weber's "charismatic power" and Carl Schmitt's tentative to produce groundwork for the national-socialist Führertum doctrine. Sovereignity was first defined by the pseudo-Archytas, he shows, as "living law" (nomos empsuchon), which direct equivalent in the 20th century is doubtlessly the Führerprinzip: the Führer is "living law", according to this theory of sovereignty – which may explain – Agamben doesn't directly refers to that, but it can be deduced from his work – why no written order of the "Final Solution" have been found, apart from the 1942 Wannsee Conference.
As "living law", the Führer is distinguished from gramma, or written law, as auctoritas differs from the magistrates' observance of written law. The Führer has no use whatsoever of "written law", as he is – in Nazi theory – himself the incarnation of law.

There was even an odd attempt to argue that National Socialism is the only true government of the people, arguing the Führer gives a voice to the true, unspoken needs of the Volkgsemeinschaft (Community of all Germans within the boundaries Reich; though at times also meant all Germans/Aryans throughout the world as well).

Abroad he represented (at least to the magazine Time) "..the greatest threatening force that the democratic, freedom - loving world faces."
Other observers abroad called the sum of National Socialism from 1933-1938 the 'German Renaissance', and over 1,000,000 men volunteered for the Waffen-SS, the armed branch of the Nazi Party. The majority (app. 600,000) came from countries other than Germany and Austria. And most joined during the invasion of Russia. If someone is going to move from their homeland, face of possibility of total ostracization, and volunteer to fight in the largest and most barbaric land conflict in human history [the Russo-German struggle in WWII] they must be fighting for principles, for ideas. Did anyone read the written ideas of the party? Not many. Mein Kampf is long and thoroughly boring, and most people of the time considered another text, Myth of the 20th Century by Alfred Rosenburg, to be the official comprehensive expression of the NS-ideology anyway. This tract is longer, and more boring.

It's been pointed out that the Fascist government of Italy collapsed after just a few American shells landed off the coast - but Germany fought for six years against four empires territorially larger than itself. 1,000 European cities were firebombed, unspeakable atrocities occured in the East, and still there wasn't the same willingness to surrender seen in the First World War.

People didn't volunteer, ration, struggle, and sacrifice (oftentimes everything) because of the written ideas of the party, or the posters, or the flag or the swastikas, or the sloganeering - they did these thing because of the personalities behind the ideas, primarily the personality of Hitler and all it symbolized - whether he symbolized to the average man in the street the new resurgent Germany, the dream of a Europe united by a single vision, philosophy, and leadership (the so-called Neuropa), or simply undiluted opposition to Communism.
It was the spoken word and fixation on this symbolic person that entranced and possessed them.

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I shouldn't take the piss in front of impressionable youngsters who call themselves "The truth" I'm a bad, bad influence. Like ritalin on rats.

Give a dog a bone.

(O man, I am a faizi ater all! :D)
A character who has increasing difficulty concealing their womanishness the longer a debate goes on? Could hardly agree more. ;P
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suergaz

Post by suergaz »

suergaz: Don't give me the 'true statement' bit son. All statements are true in their being statements.


La verdad: "Gravity is a hoax."
Is that now true in that it's a statement?
Yes, but only true in its being a statement. What it states, ie. its content, meaning, is a lie. Shit damn, you should have called yourself "The Youth"


Ok, I'm wrong. Hitler was a symbol during his life too. He was also a nobody. Check out his head. :D
MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi »

I am a drama queen and everything and I don't know nothin.'

But I know that I nailed this dude.

Spammer.

I realize that a sincere young'un could come here posting about Hitler. But this is teenage wasteland. Homey's got an agenda. Aryan motherfucker.

Faizi
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Post by La Verdad »

I am a drama queen and everything and I don't know nothin.'
Save the drama for your mama.
The forum is not your emotional tampon. Why women are allowed on a site devoted to "Truth, Courage, Honesty, Logic, Masculinity, Wisdom, Perfection" is utterly beyond me.
But I know that I nailed this dude.

Spammer.
Honey if your last post isn't spam, nothing is.
I realize that a sincere young'un could come here posting about Hitler. But this is teenage wasteland. Homey's got an agenda.
In an argument and your accusation gets shot down with ease? Simply make it again - because repitition makes it true.
Aryan motherfucker.
LoL dur dur dur
looks like you're guessing my race the same way you tried to guess Jesus' - via bias and pure speculation.
prej·u·diced, prej·u·dic·ing, prej·u·dic·es

1. To cause (someone) to judge prematurely and irrationally.
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MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi »

Suge wrote:
(O man, I am a faizi ater all! :D)
Dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

My role on Genius is kind of like being a choodee. In India and Pakistan, a choodee or choodah is a sweeper. The sweeper cleans the toilets; washes the crap from the streets.

Generally, a choodee is a hunchback caused by osteoporosis. Choodees are bent. They do the work that no one wants to do. They are the lowest of the low.

Choodah are like cockroaches. Kings and queens may come and go -- even those who pump themselves up as sages come and go. But the choodah will always be here -- just below the heel of whatever boot.

A choodah has no right to thought and, yet, thinks. A choodah has no right to criticize but, yet, is critical. The opinion of the choodah is no opinion. His master's opinion is the only opinion that counts.

But the choodah still has an opinion.

You can cut out the choodah's tongue and you can make of him a pathetic thing but a choodah still thinks; and he well knows the peculiarities of shit. He can tell by sight and stench the habits of the absorber.

All shit stinks but the stench has several nuances of flavor. A choodah is familiar with all nuances.

I think La is a spammer.

If I had nothing more to do in the world than to write to Genius, the choodah in me would have figured that out several days before yesterday.

If a choodah who must work for a so called living can pick out a spammer over several days, I have to wonder how it could take enlightened sages who are moderators here so long to get it.

Faizi
MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi »

The Truth wrote:
because repitition makes it true.
You are exposed. Give it up.

Faizi
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Post by La Verdad »

I think La is a spammer.
Spam·mer, n.
Someone who Faizi disagrees with.


Damn, guess you caught me red-handed. I don't know how I'll live that down.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift

Well, I may not be one yet - though I'm clearly on the right track. ;)
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

To me, a Faizi is one with some life in them, not infrequently revealing their company to be a pack of cards.
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too far out

Post by unwise »

I don't know, man. I see people here quoting history books and Hollywood movies and pulp fiction. You talk about Hitler and Patton and Alexander like you have all the facts. That is weird, man.

Can anyone here tell me all the facts regarding 9-11? Do you just believe what you hear and see on the TV?

History is bunk. No one knows what really happened in Germany or with Hitler or any of it. Do you know all the secrets? Did you know that NOT ONE piece of evidence has ever been found associating Hitler with the mass killing of Jews? So, I don't know what you are talking about.

I did like this quote:
The other is an Overman arrived at by man realizing he lives in a world without God, and that he is strong enough to exist without God. He is freed by this fact and spurred to profound levels of creativity and desire to produce because he recognizes there is no world beyond this one.
That's very interesting to me. Sounds topical. I'm only interested in what is happening right now. -And only in my own world. I don't believe what is on TV, let alone fancy tales of history written by questionable characters with all sorts of agendas.

Why don't you rephrase the whole issue and say, "What do y'all think of National Socialism?" I think it's a good idea.
MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi »

Unwise supposedly wrote:
Why don't you rephrase the whole issue and say, "What do y'all think of National Socialism?"
How 'bout we don't do that, spammer.

Faizi
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Post by unwise »

That is an odd reception to my post, but I assure you that I am not selling anything. I have nothing to sell - not wisdom, not truth, not enlightenment. I only have a rusty pail of doubts. Would you like some doubts?
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Sounds like you're selling national socialism. Are you a nazi?
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