Hitler, Genius or no?
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suergaz
I don't know if I have faith in any sort of society. In the U.S. both parties are committed to global corporatism. It seems to me that we had some sort of national socialism with a small 's' when I was young. That is, we had a strong middle class, thriving industry, high tariffs, low cost college education and a limited immigration policy. This type of balance seemed to work reasonably well for a couple decades. Now we are doing a banana republic economy.
And so, there is no debate on a closed, national socialism. It seems like an interesting idea. And, because it is attributed to Hitler, we can't even speak of versions of the idea.
And so, there is no debate on a closed, national socialism. It seems like an interesting idea. And, because it is attributed to Hitler, we can't even speak of versions of the idea.
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MKFaizi
Yes, you are correct. The US did have a capitalistic society tempered somewhat with a dash of socialism. There was a very healthy middle class.
With the Reagan administration, that dash of socialism was stripped away with the so called trickle down theory. Organized labor lost its clout. The American worker was devalued.
What we have now is a nearly pure capitalism -- rampant greed; government by corporation; insistence on cheap labor; importation of cheap labor and outsourcing of cheap labor.
But it was never called National Socialism and would never be called National Socialism. National Socialism refers to Nazism which had nothing to do with socialism.
I am not a socialist and I do not like pure socialism more than I like pure capitalism. I do think a capitalist society with some socialistic checks worked pretty well.
I think it has been proven that a purely capitalistic American society is a failure. I think that slowly the US will return to more checks on rampant greed. I think it is plumb wonderful for people to get rich but I don't think you need to create a Third World country. George Bush likes to chortle about bringing in cheap, illegal labor to do jobs that Amercians won't do. That's bullshit. Legal Americans cannot survive on three dollars an hour. Illegal workers living forty in a household can. That is what the corporate world wants.
I am a LPN. I make about fourteen dollars an hour after twenty five years experience. If my company could replace me with an unskilled person and pay them three or four bucks an hour, they would. In a heartbeat.
Remember that old David Allen Coe song, "Take This Job and Shove It?" Great song. A throwback to earlier times when a man who worked was valuable. In that song, the words go something about "Don't stand in my way when I walk out the door." Pretty laughable nowadays. No one would stand in my way if I walked out. They would say, "Don't let the back door hit you too hard on the ass when you leave."
Recently, in the US, immigrant workers went on strike to illustrate a point. I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if nonimmigrant workers went on mass strike. See if that would have any impact. Needless to say, it ain't going to happen. People are too scared.
Anyway, I now understand your meaning in national socialism. Used to be known as liberalism. Liberalism is now a nasty word in US politics -- kiss of death. God knows, you can go too far in liberalism. You can be a jack ass, for instance. A bleeding heart.
All you have to do to be classified as liberal is to be born in the northeasten US -- Massachusetts especially. Then, you go wind surfing and are photographed wind surfing. You kind of need to be rich, too.
But George Bush is rich and he is not classified as liberal. He does not wind surf. He does idiotic things on his Texas ranch while wearing blue jeans and walking around like John Wayne -- slightly bow legged with your hands held out slightly from the body. Manly shit. And you wear a flight suit when you declare fake victory.
Bush's so called ranch is a prop, by the way. When he is out there working, he is doing a lot of nonsense that real ranchers know are bogus.
There is no shame in being born to wealth. The shame is in not serving, politically speaking.
Today, in the office, we saw a twenty-three year old ex-Marine who lost his leg serving the Corporate States of America. Great prosthesis. You would never know watching him walk that he had an artificial leg. His other leg is quite mangled -- great jobs by surgeons to save it, however. The massive scars reveal that.
If I was his mom, I would have hand delivered his severed leg to the White House. On a silver fucking platter. During lunch.
Naturally, I would not have gotten past barriers but not for lack of trying. Great photo op for CNN and NBC and CBS and whoever else.
God, Bush's phony promotion of immigration is enough to disgust me thoroughly.
The only way to get back to the capitalistic-social times that you cite is to vote. I realize that all politicians are corrupt. But the US needs a big change in direction. Don't be swayed by a photo of a dude windsurfing. Don't care about a womanizer. Don't let the liberal kiss of death sway you.
On the side: My daughter who is not Mexican or an immigrant had an encounter with a man at a store. He is a good ol' Southern boy from Georgia, to be exact. My daughter considers herself to be a Halfrican. More like Halfrasian but whatever.
Dude says, "Waeell, you mait wawnt ta consider gettin' into the business."
"What business, agriculture?"
"Waeel, yeaah. I know a lot of Mexican weemin who pick apples."
Kind of funny.
Don't forget to vote for president in 2008. Even conservatives agree the US needs a big change. If he decides to run, Mark Warner, the former governor of Virginia might be a possibility -- blue governor of a red state. I don't think he wind surfs. Turned the commonwealth of Virginia around totally financially. Surplus.
Kind of a geek.
A geek president might be refreshing.
Faizi
With the Reagan administration, that dash of socialism was stripped away with the so called trickle down theory. Organized labor lost its clout. The American worker was devalued.
What we have now is a nearly pure capitalism -- rampant greed; government by corporation; insistence on cheap labor; importation of cheap labor and outsourcing of cheap labor.
But it was never called National Socialism and would never be called National Socialism. National Socialism refers to Nazism which had nothing to do with socialism.
I am not a socialist and I do not like pure socialism more than I like pure capitalism. I do think a capitalist society with some socialistic checks worked pretty well.
I think it has been proven that a purely capitalistic American society is a failure. I think that slowly the US will return to more checks on rampant greed. I think it is plumb wonderful for people to get rich but I don't think you need to create a Third World country. George Bush likes to chortle about bringing in cheap, illegal labor to do jobs that Amercians won't do. That's bullshit. Legal Americans cannot survive on three dollars an hour. Illegal workers living forty in a household can. That is what the corporate world wants.
I am a LPN. I make about fourteen dollars an hour after twenty five years experience. If my company could replace me with an unskilled person and pay them three or four bucks an hour, they would. In a heartbeat.
Remember that old David Allen Coe song, "Take This Job and Shove It?" Great song. A throwback to earlier times when a man who worked was valuable. In that song, the words go something about "Don't stand in my way when I walk out the door." Pretty laughable nowadays. No one would stand in my way if I walked out. They would say, "Don't let the back door hit you too hard on the ass when you leave."
Recently, in the US, immigrant workers went on strike to illustrate a point. I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if nonimmigrant workers went on mass strike. See if that would have any impact. Needless to say, it ain't going to happen. People are too scared.
Anyway, I now understand your meaning in national socialism. Used to be known as liberalism. Liberalism is now a nasty word in US politics -- kiss of death. God knows, you can go too far in liberalism. You can be a jack ass, for instance. A bleeding heart.
All you have to do to be classified as liberal is to be born in the northeasten US -- Massachusetts especially. Then, you go wind surfing and are photographed wind surfing. You kind of need to be rich, too.
But George Bush is rich and he is not classified as liberal. He does not wind surf. He does idiotic things on his Texas ranch while wearing blue jeans and walking around like John Wayne -- slightly bow legged with your hands held out slightly from the body. Manly shit. And you wear a flight suit when you declare fake victory.
Bush's so called ranch is a prop, by the way. When he is out there working, he is doing a lot of nonsense that real ranchers know are bogus.
There is no shame in being born to wealth. The shame is in not serving, politically speaking.
Today, in the office, we saw a twenty-three year old ex-Marine who lost his leg serving the Corporate States of America. Great prosthesis. You would never know watching him walk that he had an artificial leg. His other leg is quite mangled -- great jobs by surgeons to save it, however. The massive scars reveal that.
If I was his mom, I would have hand delivered his severed leg to the White House. On a silver fucking platter. During lunch.
Naturally, I would not have gotten past barriers but not for lack of trying. Great photo op for CNN and NBC and CBS and whoever else.
God, Bush's phony promotion of immigration is enough to disgust me thoroughly.
The only way to get back to the capitalistic-social times that you cite is to vote. I realize that all politicians are corrupt. But the US needs a big change in direction. Don't be swayed by a photo of a dude windsurfing. Don't care about a womanizer. Don't let the liberal kiss of death sway you.
On the side: My daughter who is not Mexican or an immigrant had an encounter with a man at a store. He is a good ol' Southern boy from Georgia, to be exact. My daughter considers herself to be a Halfrican. More like Halfrasian but whatever.
Dude says, "Waeell, you mait wawnt ta consider gettin' into the business."
"What business, agriculture?"
"Waeel, yeaah. I know a lot of Mexican weemin who pick apples."
Kind of funny.
Don't forget to vote for president in 2008. Even conservatives agree the US needs a big change. If he decides to run, Mark Warner, the former governor of Virginia might be a possibility -- blue governor of a red state. I don't think he wind surfs. Turned the commonwealth of Virginia around totally financially. Surplus.
Kind of a geek.
A geek president might be refreshing.
Faizi
Yes, Bush's 'ranch' is a prop. Reagan's 'ranch' was a movie set. People who do not love truth are easily deceived by cowboy hats and apple pie. Such people do not deserve freedom.
Kerry was a fake candidate for President. And this is the problem - they are all in this together deceiving the masses. I remember clearly that Kerry was the bottom of the Democratic candidates - he was stiff, boring, and damaged due to his status as Senator which means he had many conflicting votes - as all Senators do. Howard Dean was the people's choice for Dem candidate. He was smart and passionate and spoke of corporate abuse. The 'Power' won't have that sort of talk. Within one week his funny laugh was splashed all over every media channel and he was out. Fake Skull and Bonesman Kerry was the candidate. The fix was in.
Why? Because the CIA and Mossad orchestrated 911. The situation is much darker than you realize. The Bush Crime Family and international jew bankers built up Hitler to do their bidding. Then he turned on them as did Saddam Hussein and Noriega. Same story. This is why you have the stories about Saddam throwing babies out of incubators and similar stories about Hitler turning jews into lampshades. Most of them are false stories. The rich elite are real motherf*ckers. Demons.
Hitler set out fronting to do the bidding of international bankers - exactly as Noriega (CIA) and Saddam (CIA) and Bin Ladin (CIA) did also. Then Hitler actually desired a national socialistic country because he loved the middle class - being raised poor himself. That will never fly. A powerful middle class will never fly with international bankers. They want a banana republic in all cases.
You can be sure that the candidates of both parties will be fronts to the same Power. My only hope in a better future is in the fact that the controllers are arrogant and will reach too far. This will be their downfall.
Kerry was a fake candidate for President. And this is the problem - they are all in this together deceiving the masses. I remember clearly that Kerry was the bottom of the Democratic candidates - he was stiff, boring, and damaged due to his status as Senator which means he had many conflicting votes - as all Senators do. Howard Dean was the people's choice for Dem candidate. He was smart and passionate and spoke of corporate abuse. The 'Power' won't have that sort of talk. Within one week his funny laugh was splashed all over every media channel and he was out. Fake Skull and Bonesman Kerry was the candidate. The fix was in.
Why? Because the CIA and Mossad orchestrated 911. The situation is much darker than you realize. The Bush Crime Family and international jew bankers built up Hitler to do their bidding. Then he turned on them as did Saddam Hussein and Noriega. Same story. This is why you have the stories about Saddam throwing babies out of incubators and similar stories about Hitler turning jews into lampshades. Most of them are false stories. The rich elite are real motherf*ckers. Demons.
Hitler set out fronting to do the bidding of international bankers - exactly as Noriega (CIA) and Saddam (CIA) and Bin Ladin (CIA) did also. Then Hitler actually desired a national socialistic country because he loved the middle class - being raised poor himself. That will never fly. A powerful middle class will never fly with international bankers. They want a banana republic in all cases.
You can be sure that the candidates of both parties will be fronts to the same Power. My only hope in a better future is in the fact that the controllers are arrogant and will reach too far. This will be their downfall.
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MKFaizi
Unwise wrote:
I do not think Kerry was a fake candidate. He wanted to be president.
I am old enough to remember when the US was better than it is now and better than it was twenty or so years ago.
Certainly, I know enough to know that all politicians stink. I also know that some stink more than others.
The US needs to put an end to rampant, unbridled capitalism. It is not working. Pretty bad when the Republican party is divided as it is now. Democrats are noted for division. Not Republicans.
The current Republican administration has spent money like a 'ho with a vengeance. Lyndon Johnson's Great Society and Vietnam conflict look modest in comparison.
Now, the fools are talking about war with Iran.
If we can only hold on until 2008 when the plug will finally be pulled. It ain't going to be Hillary either. It is going to be a fiscal geek.
I partially agree with you about Howard Dean. Good man, comparatively. But not a good gambler. Got to wait 'til the dealin's' done. It is not enough to be right. You have to know how to play the game. There was a lot of agreement with Howard Dean. He lost because, despite his strength in numbers at the beginning, he was not perceived as a consummate politician -- someone who could go head to head cooly with anyone. Good guy but a hothead. The tape of the screaming just underscored that and I am well aware of how it was taken out of context.
Personally, I would prefer a good "yeeeeeee-hawwwww" to the total idiocy that we have now but dude should have been able to sew it up and he fell very short. Big mistake when he fired his manager.
Howard Dean was a big disappointment. Blaming the media does not let him off the hook. Every damn body blames the media. Paul McCartney just blamed the media for his impending divorce. Britney Spears blames the media. Nixon and Agnew blamed the media. The media is blamed for the war in Iraq. Jews blame the media. Muslims blame the media.
Gets old.
Faizi
Conspiracies abound, according to conspiritalists.Kerry was a fake candidate for President. And this is the problem - they are all in this together deceiving the masses.
I do not think Kerry was a fake candidate. He wanted to be president.
I am old enough to remember when the US was better than it is now and better than it was twenty or so years ago.
Certainly, I know enough to know that all politicians stink. I also know that some stink more than others.
The US needs to put an end to rampant, unbridled capitalism. It is not working. Pretty bad when the Republican party is divided as it is now. Democrats are noted for division. Not Republicans.
The current Republican administration has spent money like a 'ho with a vengeance. Lyndon Johnson's Great Society and Vietnam conflict look modest in comparison.
Now, the fools are talking about war with Iran.
If we can only hold on until 2008 when the plug will finally be pulled. It ain't going to be Hillary either. It is going to be a fiscal geek.
I partially agree with you about Howard Dean. Good man, comparatively. But not a good gambler. Got to wait 'til the dealin's' done. It is not enough to be right. You have to know how to play the game. There was a lot of agreement with Howard Dean. He lost because, despite his strength in numbers at the beginning, he was not perceived as a consummate politician -- someone who could go head to head cooly with anyone. Good guy but a hothead. The tape of the screaming just underscored that and I am well aware of how it was taken out of context.
Personally, I would prefer a good "yeeeeeee-hawwwww" to the total idiocy that we have now but dude should have been able to sew it up and he fell very short. Big mistake when he fired his manager.
Howard Dean was a big disappointment. Blaming the media does not let him off the hook. Every damn body blames the media. Paul McCartney just blamed the media for his impending divorce. Britney Spears blames the media. Nixon and Agnew blamed the media. The media is blamed for the war in Iraq. Jews blame the media. Muslims blame the media.
Gets old.
Faizi
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zarathustra
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Nice work, Thomas. This only proves my case that Team Kerry is very much aligned with the Bush Crime Family and the assassination on JFK - the son of a poor immigrant Irish family who actually thought he was the head of a democracy......Did a few searches on John Kerry over the years...
Never ever held a private sector job in his life.
His father was #2 man at CIA when JFK got whacked.
Material is now forthcoming on both John Skull & Bones Kerry and Hillary Lesbo Queen Clit-ton and their connections to the Nov.22 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Both are considered acceptable north eastern elite shills and sure-to-lose-opponents for a Jeb Bush presidential run in 2008.
Both Skull & Bones Kerry and Lesbo-in-the-closet Queen Hillary Clit-ton have links to the JFK November 22, 1963 Assassination.
Skull & Bones John Kerry's father at one time held a position in the U.S. State Dept. and his name was listed in the phone book of George DeMohrenshield. DeMohrenshield used Kerry's father as a contact to hire Ruth Paine as a baby sitter for Lee Harvey Oswald who was blamed for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The younger Kerry has now been linked to Project Cherry, a black special ops in Vietnam, that trained ethnic Cambodians on Vietnamese soil. They were eventually used to destabilize the Cambodian government of Prince Norodom Sihanouk. This was done to pave the way for the Nixon invasion of Cambodia in 1970.
Sihanouk was a victim of a coup d'etat two weeks before the invasion. A U.S. installed puppet then invited the United States into Cambodia. Kerry's liason to Project Cherry was John McCarthy of the CIA Saigon desk with direct communication to Project Cherry Director Alexander Haig. This covert group of Cambodian exiles who infiltrated Cambodia in order to undermine Sihanouk were named the Khmer Serei. They were the predecessor of what was to become the Khmer Rouge.
It can now be said that US intelligence and Alexander Haig created the Khmer Rouge which led to the mass murder of 70% of the Cambodian population. What is even more significant is that the North Vietnamese, who had sanctuary in Cambodia, were tipped off on the US invasion by the first secretary of the Khmer Serei who was an operational agent of the KGB whose major US liason in Project Cherry was Lieutenant John Kerry.
This dovetails to Kerry's father's white russian link to George DeMohrenshield, Ruth Paine and the scripting of Lee Harvey Oswald as the JFK 1963 patsie.
The younger Kerry tells his friends that he is entitled to the presidency of the U.S. and that it has been promised to him. Kerry served as George W. Bush's North-Eastern shill in the 2004 Presidential election. Both Kerry and Bush were classmates and fellow members of Skull and Bones at Yale University.
It should be noted that Kerry Cohen was used by U.S. Intel to infiltrate VVAW (Vietnam Vets against the war). It should also be noted that Operation Cherry was leaked to the U.S. media in 1967 by elements of the CIA opposed to Operation Cherry. The newspaper receiving the leak at the time was the Chicago Sun-Times. And the two journalists who received the Intel on Operation Cherry were Robert Novak and Morton Kondrake who both worked at the Sun-Times together in 1967. Both Novak and Kondrake used the story for blackmail and advancement of their journalistic careers. Reference both now work for Fox News.
P.S. Both Daddy Bush and Kerry's State Dept. father worked together to create the Oswald patsie.
P.P.S. Lesbo-Queen Hillary Clit-ton has been fingered by ex Watergate staff member as the individual who created the famous deleted missing Bay of Pigs gap on the Rosemary Wood Nixon tapes. Again the missing gap deals directly with George Herbert Walker Bush's link to the 1963 JFK Assassination. Of course, Hillary Lesbo-Queen Clit-ton helped not only cover up the JFK Assassination but she is also tied to the 'True Colors' assassination of JFK Jr. who was about to run for the U.S. New York senate seat that is now occupied by Hillary Lesbo-Queen Clit-ton and she is linked to the failed attempt to assassinate then Vice-President Albert Gore over Chicago. Note Hillary Lesbo Clit-ton also believes she is entitled to the presidency as does John Kerry based on their line of credit the coverup of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
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MKFaizi
If you can't see that Clinton and Bush are golfing buddies, that these and similar criminals are on the same team, that the CIA is a vast global crime establishment to deter democracy....well, you must not be paying attention. Perhaps too much enlightenment BS here.
The only conspiracy I believe is this: that people with power collude with others to keep it.
The only conspiracy I believe is this: that people with power collude with others to keep it.
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suergaz