Cory Patrick wrote:
Now, what happens when I realize I am the whole? Well, generally one remains egotistical, vain, intolerant of others, enthusiastic over silly whims, frightened of the unknown, etc….
Things really don’t change too much.
Diebert wrote,
It depends on how deep this realization actually goes.
Yes, I somewhat agree. I said ‘generally’ intentionally, in order to make room for the exception that I think we both agree on and that I will go into below.
I think it might be better to say – ‘It’ (being perfect) depends on how constant one’s attention is applied to seeing the indivisibility. but not even 'only' that. How devoted can one be to remaining attentive moment to moment? How constant can it be? And what am I going to do for a livelihood? something creative, innovative? That's the wish most of us have.
Personally, despite I realize quite clearly I don’t exist and there is only an undivided whole, despite I understand the concept of cause and effect - - my mind, emotions and thought, involuntarily wander too and fro far too often and with great strength. The most absurd fantasies and past memories absorb my attention a great deal of the time. Day dreaming is like being hypnotized. One becomes absorbed by a movement of painful past memories (sometimes pleasurable) and pleasurable future fantasies instead of remaining in an attentive, selfless state. The attentive state destroys every thought as it arises. However, thoughts likewise can destroy the attentive state (this depends on how emotionally and aesthetically involved one is)
When I lie to sleep, I continue to be thwarted by and engulfed in thought, memory and emotion. Or better, I simply continue to ‘be’ corrupted. Really, there is no division between the abstraction that I call ‘me’ and my thoughts and emotion. There is only one shoddy whole. However, for the convenience of communication, there will have to be a bit of fragmentation, for thus is the nature of language.
Eventually I slip into sleep, into the convoluted and weird logic of dreams. I wake up groggy and the residue of a night’s dreaming is a fog that is slowly burned away by the degrees of attention and awareness that rise as the day goes on.
One can realize and understand intellectually that ‘I am the whole’, I am not divided’ - -- but that alone is not the ‘cause’ of having the brain totally cleaned and made supremely sharp, whole, sensitive and attentive. Having the energy to be constantly attentive is probably the key factor.
The ingrained tendencies of the brain to be vain, to be enthusiastic with motives, to feel humiliation, pride, shame, fear, envy, lust, to be greedy, to feel hatred would all have to be somehow destroyed, deactivated, put totally asleep. I’m not saying this can’t happen. What causes it to happen?
I don’t think merely realizing intellectually that one is the whole, and I don’t think the rigorous application of the cause and effect concept is solely responsible for the radical profound change that you seem to be optimistic about or perhaps even claim to have undergone. Like i said, constant attention, not allowing thoughts to take root and grow into turbid suffocating realities is what is most important and most simple - - yet oddly, the most difficult.
Diebert wrote,
It depends how deep this realization actually goes.
How deep did I go in my previous writings? What was lacking? Maybe you could point the way.
Diebert wrote:
One might indeed find the conceptual door but never enter the rabbit hole behind it.
Where is this ‘center/self’ that ‘enters’? What is it that one is entering?
Diebert wrote:
Nothing indeed changes because someone egotistical, vain and frightened of the unknown will never dare or care to enter anyway.
Enter? Into what state? I suppose you could say there is a state of very high sophistication, sensitivity, attentiveness, stoicism…….but to reach that state, I don’t think it’s an act of ‘entering’ or anything like that, although I realize you probably equate the word ‘realize’ with the word enter. I think it comes to down to something basic like ‘habits’. I know that is not the end all be all explanation - - but it is a very simple and obvious factor. If, as a child, my mother pampered and spoiled me severely, there are thus emotional habits created, serving as an unfortunate foundation for my future tendencies and aspirations.
Diebert wrote:
If they accidentally did [realize?] they will probably end up severely confused, in need of medication to keep functioning as they were.
Yes, it is much like the fellow who smokes marijuana, and or does a bunch of LSD and mushrooms in order to improve his mind and expand his awareness. He comes to some profound realizations, but afterwards he experiences some problems keeping an emotional, organizational, and financial balance. He generally ends up being pretty confused and unbalanced following the drug induced illuminations. Often, the pain of the confusion and unbalance leads him either to psychotherapy w/ medication ‘or’ more rigorous, drug-free, philosophic though processes and healthy disciplined food consumption and exercise. Perhaps, sometimes - - a bit of both.
Cory Patrick wrote:
This conditioning fuses itself with the more natural biological fear, thus creating what some call psychological fear. This psychological fear is pretty much a disease as far as I can tell. This disease can be eradicated by consciousness.
Diebert wrote,
Aha! Something does change then in your opinion?
Yes, that was why I said ‘generally’.
In my previous post I did list some of the more general, superficial changes that will happen following ones realization of, or interest in what one is.
As for a radical change such as the ‘untangling, cleansing or unknotting’ of the brain, this seems to happen to greater and lesser degrees (depending on how attentive one is). The presence of consciousness, illumination is probably the ‘causeless cause’ responsible for anything truly radically positive man has done/expressed in the past 5000 years.
What this consciousness is, whether or not it originates from, whether or not consciousness is a projection of the brain, and whether or not someone has came close to explaining it, I am still inquiring and researching. I really don't know.
Diebert wrote,
What ways do you think this consciousness and the eradication of psychological fear will affect man?
I think the eradication of fear will give man the involuntary clarity to see what actions generate further pain, and what actions bring peace. Stupidities such as drug addictions, self inflicted disease, obesity, war, and environmental addictions will probably gradually be curbed.
Men won’t be as inclined to let woman have it their own way, and thus, the population will start to go down as well. We wont be as inclined to reproduce. Or maybe not. I’m not interested in being a prophet.
Peak-oil in relationship to permaculture is a significant phenomenon. Man, because he has no choice, is starting to go down and dissent. His assent is coming to an end involuntarily. He is forced, out of the sheer will to survive, to make his way back down the mountain. however, technologies continue to advance, so who knows what trick he'll pull next.
New discoveries in physics, agriculture, architecture, obstetrics, parenting/psychology - - -really just about every aspect of culture, as it has changed into increasingly sophisticated expressions over the past while now, will continue to be shaped by new levels of consciousness eventually reaching the source, the very essence of sophistication, which is timeless and beyond ancient. I can remember how recycling and composting suddenly became a law here in Canada. Permaculture originated in Australia and is now spreading around the world and is taking root here in Canada as well. Permaculture is highly in debt to Masanobu Fukuoka, a philosopher and farmer, who in turn, gave a great deal of his life to understand the ultimate eventually speaking very highly of Buddha, lau-tsu and others.
Message boards like this one is a good example of what sort of things to expect to see following man's burst of realizaiton.
Website like this are definitely a help.
Evidence for man’s maturity is everywhere.
I attribuite it mostly to his capacity to not dream and instead be attentive and awake to the facts of the matter, with as much constancy as possible. From this attention, actions will be born that are increasingly unifying and self-eradicating.