The question is simple:
"Why" do you seek for enlightenment?
Enlightenment as an obsession.
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Re: Enlightenment as an obsession.
Because one suffers for the fact of one's ignorance and Enlightenment is the only remedy.
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Re: Enlightenment as an obsession.
1. being ignorant = suffering?drowden wrote:Because one suffers for the fact of one's ignorance and Enlightenment is the only remedy.
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This you have to explain.I think this is not a fact at all.
Why is there the saying:"ignorance is bliss"?
To my experience suffering might be caused because of the latent idea of supreme bliss.
what is better than being born pleased of himself?
2.enlightenment being the only remedy?
Buddhism and every religion that denies the 'flesh' is the great inferiority to the god within ourselves.
I came up with some questions why people retreat to this escapism:
-Were they hurt?
-Was the odalisque unsatisfactory?
-Were they to mean to pay?
Why can't they accept 'this' reality?
"all is illusion"
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burt wrote:
To be sure, a few Buddhists in the past became so obsessed with wisdom that they began to travel the path to enlightenment, but in doing so they transcended the religion of Buddhism. In effect, they ceased to be Buddhists. The same is true for those rare sages who emerged from other religious traditions.
So your points above have no relevance to the spiritual person who is genuinely travelling the path to enlightenment. Such a person doesn't engage in escapism, nor does he deny the flesh (i.e. he is not an ascetic). He fully embraces "this" reality as being the only reality there is.
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and,2.enlightenment being the only remedy?
Buddhism and every religion that denies the 'flesh' is the great inferiority to the god within ourselves.
I came up with some questions why people retreat to this escapism:
-Were they hurt?
-Was the odalisque unsatisfactory?
-Were they to mean to pay?
Why can't they accept 'this' reality?
You are making the mistake of equating the path to enlightenment with Buddhism and other religions. As a rule, Buddhism and the other religions have no interest in comprehending truth and becoming wise. Their interest, rather, lies in acquiring security, comfort and emotional happiness, which is a completely different set of aims.DQ: Why does a drowning man seek air?
B: So...were/are you hurt?
To be sure, a few Buddhists in the past became so obsessed with wisdom that they began to travel the path to enlightenment, but in doing so they transcended the religion of Buddhism. In effect, they ceased to be Buddhists. The same is true for those rare sages who emerged from other religious traditions.
So your points above have no relevance to the spiritual person who is genuinely travelling the path to enlightenment. Such a person doesn't engage in escapism, nor does he deny the flesh (i.e. he is not an ascetic). He fully embraces "this" reality as being the only reality there is.
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Kevin: An ignorant person experiences hurt, no matter how much bliss comes from his ignorance.
This is how you end up with an out-of-control, hedonistic and drug-riddled society -- yes, right down to its children.Diebert: Or one could even say: an ignorant person suffers, even while being ignorant of it - the suffering just spreads silently to all around and into the future.