Post Enlightenment...

[Pincho Paxton]

Pincho,

Or, you just don't try to understand it.

It is not a virtue to pretend an understanding. You are playing make-believe with something that has frustrated a generation of specialists. None of your blather has impressed me in any way. Maybe you should start on smaller problems that you can resolve, and work yourself up to the trickier things.

Already have. My ideas are a projection of 30 years study.

[Pincho Paxton]

Pincho Paxton

It's not fucked up. It all makes perfect sense to me.

What makes perfect sense?

If I'm physically at home, but mentally project myself to a different place, does this mean I'm in two places at once? ...Which one is real, how can you possibly know this to be without a doubt?

If this makes perfect sense, then it's wrong. It always is...

Everything is a pair. Matter, and energy. However, your mental projection just changes the 0/1 state of a particle. So it would be still connected to the matter no matter where it was.

I keep using 0/1 to explain dual state, but really it should be thought of as -1/+1, and the zero state is when neither has been decided yet.

[Trevor Salyzyn]

Pincho,

Already have. My ideas are a projection of 30 years study.

It sounds like something Gary Gygax came up with in his bathtub one morning, though.

Not designed to be true.

[Pincho Paxton]

Pincho,

Already have. My ideas are a projection of 30 years study.

It sounds like something Gary Gygax came up with in his bathtub one morning, though.

Not designed to be true.

Well it's a subject that is mostly invisible to our sensual environment, and therefore seems to be a form of magic. However, the tests cause results that we can perceive once we fit a lot of things together. We see the jigsaw after it was made, and we see a full picture, and we never realised that it was made from funny shaped pieces. I have managed to strip the jigsaw apart, but I still have some missing pieces. I am getting close to an even better understanding, I am working on the distance at the moment. Distanct effects without connection.

[Unidian]

How do I rid myself of delusion (LOL)-->I think I'd disappear if I did this!

Precisely. That simple and honest sentence encapsulates all resistance to philosophical realization. And you are correct, of course. One's fundamental concept of self is drastically altered by the absence of delusion, to the point that from the perspective of that self-concept (ego), it looks and feels like total annihilation. The concept of a "true self" (one which "actually exists" in some independent or objective sense) is in fact the core delusion that supports all of the others, and it's always the last one to go.

So yeah, the "you" you know now would dissapear. But the "other you," which is Nature itself, would not be fazed in the least. And since Nature is all there is and the "you" you know is just a dream, nothing whatsoever would actually happen outside your own mind. This is where the ability of language to transmit meaning breaks down due to the impossibility of conveying non-duality using dualistic concepts, so it would be pointless to try to point any further. Just go do it and find out for yourself.

[Unidian]

1ntel: when all delusions have been destroyed, only truth remains. That is enlightenment.

I usually don't encourage use of the Captain Crunch Secret Decoder ring "enlightenment" badge because of all the baggage associated with it and the ego-reactions it gets, but I do like this definition.

And here's a helpful cheat-sheet:

Any sentence that starts with the following words is a delusion which must be dropped:

"Reality is..."

"Nature is..."

"God is..."

"I am..."

All of those statements (and others of their kind) are wrong if they include anything after the word "is." In their two-word form, such as "Reality is" with no further elaboration, they are tautologically correct but entirely superfluous.

Of course, even though such statements are necessarily false, they can sometimes be useful as pointers in communication - just as works of fiction often point to important realities. This is harmless as long as they are taken in that spirit rather than being believed in and of themselves. No inherently dualistic concept, idea, thought, or image is a true or complete representation of a non-dualistic (or trans-dualistic) reality. Only reality, directly percieved above and beyond all conceptualization, is a true representation of itself.