Re: The Qualities of a Divinely Inclined Person.....
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:38 am
Yet another irrational response.[Today, possibly the first time in my life, I felt like striking a disabled person.]
Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment
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Yet another irrational response.[Today, possibly the first time in my life, I felt like striking a disabled person.]
I agree, you'd think so at first, wouldn't you? But think it through and you come to see it is, perhaps, entirely rational!Yet another irrational response.
I know the feeling, Alex. I had such feelings at times even as a youngster.Alexis Jacobi wrote:[Today, possibly the first time in my life, I felt like striking a disabled person.]
I remember this one drawn-out firefight in VietNam we musta put down some 2,000 people in a 48 hour period. This one dude was into collecting the left ears of the old people. It's still called collateral damage. I was (young and) disabled then, brainwashed by the powers-that-be.Bob Michael wrote:I know the feeling, Alex. I had such feelings at times even as a youngster.Alexis Jacobi wrote:[Today, possibly the first time in my life, I felt like striking a disabled person.]
"The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it." (Nietzsche)
The real problem is that Man is dead. And dead men can't become Supermen. Hence the "human, all-too-human" element continues to overwhelmingly prevail everywhere. So there continues to remain an urgent need for a great awakening, a great revival!Dennis Mahar wrote: Nietzsche's context was:
God is dead.
Make Earth our meaning.
It's up to us.
Creative philosophers.
Meaning makers.
Make it up us we go.
Sieze control effectively.
Superman.
Stop looking in the mirror then.Alexis Jacobi wrote:[Today, possibly the first time in my life, I felt like striking a disabled person.]
No doubt Bob.So there continues to remain an urgent need for a great awakening, a great revival!
Say what you will, David, you're still a game player in my book. Surely a poor example of self-reliance, while biting the very hand that feeds you. You're simply playing the system for all it's worth, just like many alcoholics, addicts, 'nutcases', and other unfortunately botched souls do. Though you probably sleep quite well at night, as do so many people with fractured or sub-par consciences. Which also allows for your pseudo sense of cool ("calm manner").David Quinn wrote:If this is about me, I have never feigned mental illness. Always, in all my dealings with the government, I have presented myself in the same way that I do here - namely, openly valuing wisdom and rationality in a calm manner.
David Quinn wrote:That phrase always cracks me up! Why on earth would you want to "tame" a good woman?
David Quinn wrote: UG and I are very much on the same page, only I go a lot deeper. He put a leash on his reasoning for various reasons, which all boil down to the fact that he didn’t want to be too repulsive and dangerous. He liked his fan-made cushy lifestyle too much.
I won't argue the point, C/B. Rather, I sit content with the view that Christ was hung (which was a combination of attitude adjustment/suicide by mob) for his own sins. Such as sedition, arrogance, ignorance of the nature of human condition, lack of experiential wisdom, freeloading, and siding often with unregenerate types. I think Paul was a better and wiser man than Christ in many respects, though similarly, not without shortcomings.cousinbasil wrote:His (Christ's) downfall was a result of his teaching being misinterpreted - mainly as sedition. His ministry was actually well financed. He and his entourage were Jews, after all. His earlier statements to the effect that "My time has not yet come" when refusing to act publicly or join this or that political activity can be taken as evidence that he was financially preparing his family for his departure. He first made sure the family business interests could run without his involvement. Most historical depictions of Jesus portray him as being neither rich nor poor, but hard-working middle class. Bob, your comment here resembles what Christ's detractors must have been muttering about him. "It's fine to speak about the birds and animals not toiling, but if everybody did that, we'd be up shit creek without a paddle..."
Yes, I think I understand.cousinbasil wrote:David wrote:If this is about me, I have never feigned mental illness. Hear that, Bob? David's mental illness is no sham!
Yes, I'm but an instrument of that which is in control.Dennis Mahar wrote:No doubt Bob.So there continues to remain an urgent need for a great awakening, a great revival!
Neither is Nietschke's brilliance in doubt.
'cept you're not in control Bob.
Bob Michael wrote:Say what you will, David, you're still a game player in my book.David Quinn wrote:If this is about me, I have never feigned mental illness. Always, in all my dealings with the government, I have presented myself in the same way that I do here - namely, openly valuing wisdom and rationality in a calm manner.
Bob Michael wrote:David Quinn wrote:That phrase always cracks me up! Why on earth would you want to "tame" a good woman?
Only the 'man' who finds, tames, and teams up with a good woman can claim true enlightenment, genius, sonship with the Infinite, etc.
Bob Michael wrote: "The hatred of woman is always only the not yet overcome hatred of one's own sexuality." (Otto Weininger)
The infinite is everything it is. Tell me how one controls is?Bob: Yes, I'm but an instrument of that which is in control.
Yeah, Bill Clinton (wearing the lawyer-trained legal hat) in his deposition had a tough time relating when he questioned 'what the meaning of "is" .. "is"'.movingalways wrote:The infinite is everything it is. Tell me how one controls is?Bob: Yes, I'm but an instrument of that which is in control.
Yes, all worldly matters are of secondary, or of, unfortunately in my opinion, complete unimportance compared to the main thrust of understanding logic, structure, cause and effect and the nature of abstraction, which is of extreme importance.Alexis Jacobi wrote:First, there would be no 'job' because 'the wise' choose not to work, remember? They get their money from the state and by 'abusing' social security (almost a form of fraud). So, no finances to handle, no charity, and therefore no economic help rendered. All the figures who (like Mother Teresa) dedicate themselves to 'helping' others, alleviating suffering, etc., have been routinely torn apart and ridiculed. There have never been, to my knowledge, any ethical recommendations that have to do with 'service' (in a specifically Buddhist sense), and the conversations have never turned on this.
Eh. According to the sage idealism women should be ditched. I am guessing all three QRS have some form of attachment to particular women in their life right now, though likely not to the point where they'd be totally retarded if the relationships ended, but like everyone, have them because they're nice. There are some percentage of people who, because of hormones, are not caused to seek a lot of sex, and this 'vacuum' can be filled with whatever alternative goals or, in the GF case, idealisms toward a value system of truth and nothing else...As to practical recommendations, the first order of business is to ditch the woman. No 'wise' man will have a wife or a girl friend. There is a decided anti-woman stance which, as I see it, necessarily becomes an anti-human body stance. If you are not having and dealing with female relationships, on the fact of the female, it seems to me that you are 'shearing off' from a substantial part of the human facts. Still, a good and necessary conversation can be had, should be had, about a 'male defensive position' in respect to a state-inculcated femininity, as I have often said.
It is a farce and it isn't a farce. The very second you think of it in an emotional way at all it is a lie. It is not special. It is not cool or something to aspire toward. It is not vague and universal words like "freedom" which, undefined, will cause people to go internal to their emotional archives for an image-explanation. It is not a thing or objective. It is the plainest, most boring thing there is. It is facts about whatever. And that is all. It is DEAD BORING and leaves nothing to talk about. That's it.But YOU know as well as anyone here that this use of the term and title of 'enlightened' is a farce! You KNOW this, and I know you know it.
Yes, it's not overly important what form of genius is the most genius. Though, it is a skill to be objective just like it's a different skill to ski well or to write smoothly.First off, you have begun with your own presupposition. That of 'genius'. Anyone who reads on these pages readily sees that the term has been expropriated and hitched to a peculiar wagon. I don't accept the GF forum's definition of genius. Never have.
Yes, it's extremely difficult if you take the subject matter seriously not to start objectifying and creating a morality structure that will give people emotional images to follow.And another thing. If it IS a definition of genius, the definition falls out of the mouth of a group of dullards. Put explicitly: no genius will arise from this matrix.
Haha. I don't know, I almost never use the term. :) What do you think?What really is 'spirituality'? What really does this mean?
I've been fully retired from the greedy, self-centered, dog-eat-dog, work-a-day world for about 6 years. Though I've earned my own keep through the sweat of my brow and my God-given intelligence and skills as a tradesman in both my unenlightened and enlightened days. My wife and I live on a relatively small pension of mine while she works part time in a self-employed manner in order to help make ends meet. And she doesn't work under anyone's gun or clock which permits the continual shedding of her culturally acquired body armor. Presently, I continue to remain in full time employment of the Infinite. My life is no longer my own, David. Which is a concept or a manner of living very few people understand due to the deeply enculturated self-centered nature of the human species. Nor do very many people know and experience the unending joys of living in such a manner.David Quinn wrote:And what do you do for a living, Bob?
"Two men looked out through prison bars, one saw mud - the other saw stars." (A. U.)Bob Michael wrote:Only the 'man' who finds, tames, and teams up with a good woman can claim true enlightenment, genius, sonship with the Infinite, etc.
David Quinn: Hahaha. What a load of nonsense.
Best wishes in this greatest of challenges, David. But again, unless a revolutionary change comes over you and you begin to grow in maturity and self-understanding, you'll come to the end of your days being but another name on a long list of enlightened failures. And your "marvelous reality" will slowly, but surely fade away, if it hasn't already.David Quinn wrote:My aim in life is to awaken as many people as possible to this marvellous reality, which I sometimes call God or Tao.
So you got out of the human rat-race and got into a rat-race with actual rats, eh? :-)Bob Michael wrote:After my revolutionary awakening some 35 years ago I began stepping out of the rat race and began learning to live hand-to mouth, simply, frugally, and creatively.
This is a serious question - did you "team up" with a female, because she is a woman, or simply because she was another follower of the infinite? If it was because she is female, then you're being a hypocrite, since you are a follower of your desire for being with a woman, and not the infinite.I'm afraid unless you begin to get over your self and your misogyny you'll never come to know and experience the innumerable, indescribable joys of being teamed up with a female who, like myself, is a devoted "Follower of the Infinite."
But what's wrong with that? Isn't he a FOTI(follower of the infinite)? If being a FOTI is the whole point, then what's the reason for denigrating fellow FOTIs who are not like you?Rather, at best, you'll remain perhaps an enlightened but essentially a dull, feelingless, loveless, lopsided, intellectually oriented, stick-in-the mud sort of 'genius guy'.
Are you sure you're looking at the stars, Bob?The likes of which there are entirely too many of. And especially in these last days.
Diebert, enlightening Alexis about Bob, wrote:Why gossiping about Bob at all? I think he's a young ambitious kid although he claims to be pretty senior in age.
I dunno, Deebs, he sounds pretty convincing to me.Bob, answering David about his worldly pursuits, wrote:After my revolutionary awakening some 35 years ago I began stepping out of the rat race and began learning to live hand-to mouth, simply, frugally, and creatively.
Me too, Bob, minus the play, vital and necessary though it may be. When "totally free of work," it has not usually been by choice. And I do not have a wife who works and makes such periods amenable to play. Funny how the "ball-and-chain" that keeps one from getting one's stick wet elsewhere becomes "the better half" when she brings home the bacon.Throughout the ensuing years I've experienced many times and periods of solitude that were totally free of work which were times of vital and necessary play and self-rediscovery.
Usually such a free-thinking woman resembles Alfred E. Newman. Your more typical woman is a follower of Orca Winfrey, although one glance out over one of her studio audiences is often enough to cause one's ball sac to withdraw in terror deep into one's body cavity.My claim here goes without saying, David. So I'm afraid unless you begin to get over your self and your misogyny you'll never come to know and experience the innumerable, indescribable joys of being teamed up with a female who, like myself, is a devoted "Follower of the Infinite."
It's never too late to take up English as a First Language, Bob. The last of in that first sentence should be omitted - it is why one writes "of which" earlier in the sentence, so one can avoid ending the sentence with the preposition. ("Ending a sentence with a preposition is one thing up with which I will not put." - Churchill.)...The likes of which there are entirely too many of. And especially in hese last days.
Bob Michael wrote:"Two men looked out through prison bars, one saw mud - the other saw stars." (A. U.)David Quinn wrote:Bob Michael wrote:Only the 'man' who finds, tames, and teams up with a good woman can claim true enlightenment, genius, sonship with the Infinite, etc.
David Quinn: Hahaha. What a load of nonsense.
Bob Michael wrote:My claim here goes without saying, David. So I'm afraid unless you begin to get over your self and your misogyny you'll never come to know and experience the innumerable, indescribable joys of being teamed up with a female who, like myself, is a devoted "Follower of the Infinite."