Re: Enlightened! Really?
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:31 pm
Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment
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And you select a random place on the Internet for that? Most people go to marriage counseling when they lost communication with their husband. If you cannot share core values (like some shared reality) then you're spitting against the wind.Kunyab wrote:Sorry Diebert, it is just that I feel that our world have grown so apart. I living in this earth, whereas he has gone off to a different reality. I thought that other people who are more familiar with these things can help me drill some sense into him.
Well, test him out and live temporally elsewhere. I'm sure he's enlightened enough to cope for a while or see the error of his way (if any). You appear as a worried servant here, not as proud individual with your own life. There might be a connection to his behavior if it's theoretical or too idealistic. Perhaps you can become a profound challenge for him. And it might do everyone a favor. But I'm not sure you're telling the whole story. Spouses would not look for "advice" this way, it would be extremely odd but I don't mind playing along with the story. Why are his personal beliefs even a problem to be solved or understood?I think that his enlightenment is too theoretical as you say. As you I also feel that asceticism is integral to enlightenment.
Kunga its not like there is anything wrong, I am just concerned. After all one does not want near and dear ones to be delusional.Kunga wrote:I don't know...I can't imagine what Kunyab is going through...
I always dreamed of having an Enlightened yogi to be my husband...
I should be perhaps. But spiritual pursuits can lead one to be less attached and engaged in the world. This has not happened with him so far but I fear for it.I feel Kunyab should try to be more understanding and supportive. It is rare to find anyone truely interested in truth and spiritual matters in this world.
He is very calm and caring but he treats emotions as disturbances which obstruct clarity. To me emotions are an integral part of being in a family.One thing for sure...if he is Enlightened...he should be more loving and supportive of her .
She is very frustrated with him.
Yes, we don't know the whole story....poor Kunyab comes here seeking advice/help.
Yes, he is your husband, and you should be.Kunyab wrote: I am just concerned.
on contact the only name or thought is 'true friend'.the ineffable silence....
Bingo. And when you give the something a name or names, you come to life! It is who or what you are in that very moment. Conscious living, conscious being. This way you discover for yourself, directly, via mirror wisdom, what 'something' is right for you and what 'something' is not right for you. Know Thyself. Can't do it without concepts (conditions) of I am.Kunga wrote:Yes...but there still remains something that exists, even when nothing inherently exists.
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It’s a stand-alone clip. Sums up the movie.Gunga wrote:I never did see that movie Cahoot...but yes...“Poor, Poor Thing”
a little cork bobbing on the ocean of consciousness.I am That I am
Cahoot wrote:Why all the periods?
Bloody funny! Or too much trailing open-endedness. Female thinking....?Kunga wrote:Cahoot wrote:Why all the periods?
Because I'm... fertile
Diebert van Rhijn wrote:Bloody funny! Or too much trailing open-endedness. Female thinking....?Kunga wrote:Cahoot wrote:Why all the periods?
Because I'm... fertile
Interesting, I looked it up. the word woman comes from wif-man. A male person would be "wer-man". But fem comes from femina literally "she who suckles," from root of felare "to suck, suckle".Kunga wrote:Fe = Iron
Ironmale thinking ?
For me it's odd trying to write how I talk. Just as it's odd for me the idea that I'd talk how I think. They seem to be all completely different worlds to me. That's just me perhaps but generally it's easier for others to understand you if some degree of formality and structure is being applied. As rule of thumb any consistent disorganized and stream of consciousness writing serves the ego, the writer and hardly anything more than that.When talking....don't you pause ? This is the natural rhythm of my voice...when I type..it's how I talk....the "trailing off" is simply how speech dissolves after it is spoken......if it's a breathy iron male thing...i don't know......or maybe it's just a bad habit.......atleastidontwritelikejamesjoycehahaha........
Yep, that sounds about right.Dennis Mahar wrote:a little cork bobbing on the ocean of consciousness.I am That I am
in the grip of.
LOLDiebert van Rhijn wrote:You're sorry you even mentioned it now I suppose.
I think what you’re sensing is just a diminishing of,Dennis Mahar wrote:Diebert likes to mother.
bliss.
Fairly simple to test at some level anyway. Get him to write a poem defining his enlightenment then post it here. Not sure there is anyone enlightened here either and if you don't get solid replies then send it to a major Buddhist monastery addressed to the Abbott and see what they have to say.Kunyab wrote:So my husband claims to be enlightened. He had always been interested in spiritual stuff and some of this is part of our traditions as Hindus. However, enlightenment is a very rare occurence and mostly confined to people who have gone through a very strong spiritual experience or have a completely detached ascetic life.
None of which has happened in his case.
I find it very hard to digest that he is enlightened now.
Searching more on this stuff I came to this forum, and ask what you guys think of him, is he just fooling himself?
He has been writing about this stuff at vedantademystified at the blogspot site. This site will not allow me to post the URL believing that I am a spammer.
I am just interested in knowing if what he says seems true or just a fiction his mind has invented to escape into a convenient reality.
That’s interesting. Eventually thoughtful people speak as they write. Does the enlightened one speak as he writes? If so, we could premise that enlightenment and thoughtfulness are somehow related. Perhaps, by logic?Diebert wrote:For me it's odd trying to write how I talk. Just as it's odd for me the idea that I'd talk how I think. They seem to be all completely different worlds to me. That's just me perhaps but generally it's easier for others to understand you if some degree of formality and structure is being applied. As rule of thumb any consistent disorganized and stream of consciousness writing serves the ego, the writer and hardly anything more than that.
We are what we write? Self-consciousness is hard and not always helpful to prosper as doubt creeps in. Self-consciousness can be a bliss destroyer just as easily as destroyer of self-ignorance. There's something here I'd call "sufficiency" as one can go easily overboard with streaming as well as with structures and elaboration. Most people are a bit off kilter.Kunga wrote:I guess I don't feel self conscious about how I write.
Of course one could deliver written or studied lines but that's not the same as talking in the broader sense as I had in mind including any casual, spontaneous and non-verbal elements which Kunga referred to.Cahoot wrote:Eventually thoughtful people speak as they write.
Pychyl (2009) notes distinctions between mindfulness and self-consciousness. Speaking as one writes would be more along the lines of mindfulness, which is often a slower, more deliberate way of speaking, as one is actually writing with the spoken word as opposed to making sounds associated with random thoughts floating into awareness. This is different than speaking self-consciously, which in the extreme could result in a stammer.Diebert van Rhijn wrote:Of course one could deliver written or studied lines but that's not the same as talking in the broader sense as I had in mind including any casual, spontaneous and non-verbal elements which Kunga referred to.Cahoot wrote:Eventually thoughtful people speak as they write.