Qualities of a Spiritually Evolved Human

[Cahoot]

Consider the question in principle. If someone has a want or a need, and it does not harm another to grant that need if it’s in their power, would it not be spiritually evolved to grant that need?

[Kunga]

Consider the question in principle. If someone has a want or a need, and it does not harm another to grant that need if it’s in their power, would it not be spiritually evolved to grant that need?

If I was more spiritually evolved, it would come naturally.

[Cahoot]

That’s all right. Thirty days of mindful silence and focused, thoughtful contemplation is not that difficult a test. That is all she asks.

You said that she is more fragile than you. So help her. The spiritually evolved path would be, if it does not harm you, help her by granting her simple request. Do you want to walk that path, Kunga?

[Kunga]

She's not my teacher. I have no respect for her. I will not empower someone that spends her life disempowering women.
Sorry. I will do it for you though.

[Cahoot]

The cliché would be to tell you to do it for yourself.

Really that’s true though, which is why it’s a cliché.
(Kelly is saying it too. Very clearly.)

To that I would add, do it for the logic, the philosophy of spirituality.

The beauty is the logic, and life unfolds according to that beauty.

[Dennis Mahar]

Storm in a teacup.
drama
perpetrator, rescuer, victim

normal transmission.

Same stuff different day

its empty and meaningless that its empty and meaningless.
You provide the meaning.
YOU.

bliss to have this precious life.

[Cahoot]

That’s right. You provide the meaning. I think this is an advantage of a human birth. I’ve noticed that people have a natural urge to state intent, to state meaning and purpose. A sincere, clear, and public statement of intent begins to align ever-moving life forces around the axis of that intent. Detachment from expectation of results, while committed to results, is freedom from the known expectation of that intent. Like baseball.

As carpenters say, do your best and caulk the rest.

[Kunga]

The cliché would be to tell you to do it for yourself.

Really that’s true though, which is why it’s a cliché.
(Kelly is saying it too. Very clearly.)

To that I would add, do it for the logic, the philosophy of spirituality.

The beauty is the logic, and life unfolds according to that beauty.

Yes...as we don't exist inherently. And I know I am way too attached to my aversion of the philosophy she preaches, I see it not as truth, but as truth distorted, oozing with puss, over-baked and burnt dead.
My purpose here, is not to conform to this forum. I asked Dan to ban me a few days ago, as I always feel compelled to fight for truth and justice, and I see so much untruth, blatent lies and fuckery going on here, that I can't stop myself from throwing a few punches. LOL

[Dennis Mahar]

All things being interdependent
lacking inherent existence
makes
all contents void
can you 'see' the infinite now?

Absolute joy.

[Kunga]

All things being interdependent
lacking inherent existence
makes
all contents void
can you 'see' the infinite now?

Absolute joy.

Yes I know it's void
but it's also full-of-it !

See...it is full-of-it
then it voids itself !

Amazing !

:)

[Dennis Mahar]

Astonishing!
Wonderfulness!
Thankyou

[SeekerOfWisdom]

Absolute joy.

You are so incredibly delusional Dennis.

If it's absolute joy always, put a hot poker to yourself.

"Life is suffering, aging, death, birth, etc, etc, etc"

The first of the noble truths and you are yet to even listen to the words of the person you always refer to the teachings of.

So many of the necessary conditions that would have to be there for your repeated speech to be true just aren't.

For example, 1.bliss 2. you provide the meaning. Is it bliss or are you just providing that meaning?

Again, you provide the meaning. Do you have free will/control appearances?
And if your not choosing, could you not then experience suffering in the future?

Astonishing!

Astonishing how delusional one has to be to avoid very clear inquiries over the same sentence x3000.


Someone should keep watch to make sure everyone else reading your garbage knows that we think you're a senile idiot.

[Pam Seeback]

Dennis, joy is an absolute state of being just as hate is an absolute state of being, examples of absolute dualities that exist because an absolute duality called the sentient human mind exists. So when you say "you (the sentient mind who has realized emptiness) provide the meaning", you are correct, you intend the state of being, for this moment. Only for this moment, for as the wise man knows, everything born of the ignorance of form and consciousness (appearance of form) is always "only" for now.

In relation to the topic of this post, one of the qualities of a spiritually evolved person would be right intention of emptiness realization, which is covered in detail in Buddhist doctrine. Bliss is there, but so is faith, contentment, rapture, calmness, samadhi, wisdom insight (logic), disenchantment, dispassion, deliverance, knowledge of deliverance. Is not the law of causality not "God's elegance" revealed? Is not the law of causality revealed not also the law of responsibility (response-ability) revealed? The truth that the state of being you cause (intend) is mirrored back to you, right here, right now? Even if that right here, right now is the moment of physical death? Bottom line: bliss is not THE absolute of emptiness, bliss is one of the absolutes of wisdom of emptiness, as I see it, your intended boomerang for now. :-)

[Dennis Mahar]

What's this button about 'hot iron poker' seeker?
Who did what to whom and when?

Pam,
The direct experience of emptiness is a nonsensuous, nonconceptual realisation that all content is void.
meaning maker is disclosed in its 'act'.

'IT' is only concerned with survival.
there is no other possibility for 'IT' other than survival.
a set of assessments giving rise to a range of options leading to a postulated winning formula which is acted upon.

many a tear has to fall
all in the wonderful game child.

[Pam Seeback]

You still don't see that your error is in equating emptiness realization WITH bliss.

[Cahoot]

The cliché would be to tell you to do it for yourself.

Really that’s true though, which is why it’s a cliché.
(Kelly is saying it too. Very clearly.)

To that I would add, do it for the logic, the philosophy of spirituality.

The beauty is the logic, and life unfolds according to that beauty.

....
My purpose here, is not to conform to this forum. I asked Dan to ban me a few days ago, as I always feel compelled to fight for truth and justice, and I see so much untruth, blatent lies and fuckery going on here, that I can't stop myself from throwing a few punches. LOL

Defender of truth and justice.

I was curious what you thought you were transmitting.

[Dennis Mahar]

The moodedness of emptiness is bliss.
do you think the Bud is complaining?
Empty isn't absolute truth, its a truth concerning phenomenal existence.

[Dennis Mahar]

The Tao cant be named and everything else is in a brown paper bag called the house of language.

[SeekerOfWisdom]

What's this button about 'hot iron poker' seeker?
Who did what to whom and when?

You keep saying life is bliss and absolute joy.

Is it still bliss and absolute joy when you're being tortured, or with a hot poker to you?

Would you not be in pain?

You deny reality and avoid it.

[Dennis Mahar]

You're talking about affectivity
all things must pass

keep your fingers out of the machinery
do no harm

[Cahoot]

“there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
human being to supply any given army on any given day

and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace

those who preach god, need god
those who preach peace do not have peace
those who preach peace do not have love

beware the preachers
beware the knowers
beware those who are always reading books
beware those who either detest poverty
or are proud of it
beware those quick to praise
for they need praise in return
beware those who are quick to censor
they are afraid of what they do not know
beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average

but there is genius in their hatred
there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
to kill anybody
not wanting solitude
not understanding solitude
they will attempt to destroy anything
that differs from their own
not being able to create art
they will not understand art
they will consider their failure as creators
only as a failure of the world
not being able to love fully
they will believe your love incomplete
and then they will hate you
and their hatred will be perfect

like a shining diamond
like a knife
like a mountain
like a tiger
like hemlock

their finest art”
― Charles Bukowski

A poet's poem, regardless of the subject, is a look within.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8KJiay6EI0

[Cahoot]

Litany

You are the bread and the knife,
The crystal goblet and the wine...
-Jacques Crickillon

You are the bread and the knife,
the crystal goblet and the wine.
You are the dew on the morning grass
and the burning wheel of the sun.
You are the white apron of the baker,
and the marsh birds suddenly in flight.

However, you are not the wind in the orchard,
the plums on the counter,
or the house of cards.
And you are certainly not the pine-scented air.
There is just no way that you are the pine-scented air.

It is possible that you are the fish under the bridge,
maybe even the pigeon on the general's head,
but you are not even close
to being the field of cornflowers at dusk.

And a quick look in the mirror will show
that you are neither the boots in the corner
nor the boat asleep in its boathouse.

It might interest you to know,
speaking of the plentiful imagery of the world,
that I am the sound of rain on the roof.

I also happen to be the shooting star,
the evening paper blowing down an alley
and the basket of chestnuts on the kitchen table.

I am also the moon in the trees
and the blind woman's tea cup.
But don't worry, I'm not the bread and the knife.
You are still the bread and the knife.
You will always be the bread and the knife,
not to mention the crystal goblet and--somehow--the wine.

Billy Collins

[SeekerOfWisdom]

You're talking about affectivity
all things must pass

keep your fingers out of the machinery
do no harm

Are you saying that feeling has passed for you? (Mind putting that to the test?)

Or that such pain must arise/pass? and if so, finally! So it's not always bliss and absolute joy then is it?

[Dennis Mahar]

Lets say you're a little kid and a form appears to your eye sense.
you say to mama, what's that?
She says its the colour white.

not that.

[SeekerOfWisdom]

Just because designations are meaningless doesn't mean feeling disappears.

Lets say the kid puts his hand to the fire and screams and cries, if the mum says it's called joy he's still going to think it fucking hurts.

You act as if the possibility of pain/suffering isn't there. Not to mention the various other forms of suffering, agitation, etc.