Re: Why I want to participate in this forum
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:40 pm
I'll be off the Hill for at least most of the next couple of days. Will talk again soon.
Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment
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The way you have worded this it seems like you see breeding and genius as mutually exclusive. That may very well be if your view of genius is in line with Quinn's, which is understandable since you are a self-proclaimed Weinigerian. But Otto was unable to survive the onslaught of truth he let into his world; let's assume that is not also a requirement of this type of genius. Remember, he perished in that vortex, so we do not know what his life would have been like in later years. It is not unfeasible he would have resolved his issues of sexual identity, at least to the extent that made it possible for him to enter into a marriage if only in name and proceed along the socially expected route of child-rearing.jupiviv wrote:Basically, human beings have evolved to breed and not be geniuses, and that is the reason there are no geniuses. If this situation is to change, then it would probably do so over quite a long period of time, and there would have to be a lot of geniuses around. But I don't think there's much chance of that happening.
Sexual reproduction in and of itself can't lead to consciousness. That's pretty obvious. If reproducing sexually helps to create consciousness, then there's no problem with it. But I don't think any human has ever achieved coitus with the intention of creating an enlightened sage.cousinbasil wrote:The way you have worded this it seems like you see breeding and genius as mutually exclusive.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but no one is immortal. Even a person who has sex with all the women in the world will die. But such a person will have done nothing of value, as opposed to a person who dedicates his life to reason, like Weininger.But Otto was unable to survive the onslaught of truth he let into his world
His suicide was certainly the result of his attachments. But at least he tried to understand and overcome them, which is more than you can say for 99.99% of humanity.But Weiniger himself was a victim of attachment - to ideas and theoretical concepts
Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.Dennis Mahar wrote:
If there's no self.
how does the task get done?
how does right leadership happen?
how is a sane setting set?
Here's this pattern (me),Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.
This may be so, but an exceptional child is not necessarily an enlightened child, nor will he necessarily become one. Nor will he necessarily become an enlightened adult either. And unless a person is genuinely and fully enlightened he'll most likely serve the world (and himself) far more than the Infinite, his fellows, and the evolutionary scheme of things.larrykueneman wrote:On occassion, parents do things differently and the kid grows up with his or her fearless curiosity intact. Generally, under these conditions we think the kid is exceptional, when with a closer look it may prove that it is the parents who had establish an exceptional experience for the child, who then grows as he or she was intended in the first place.
Spot on Bob.Due to the severely desensitized state of the human species at large, most people are in the 'lake' without even realizing it.
It's no longer eerie, though it's depressing at times. But what is - is.Dennis Mahar wrote:Spot on Bob.Due to the severely desensitized state of the human species at large, most people are in the 'lake' without even realizing it.
eerie isn't it?
amazing.
clouds roll by on sunny days.though it's depressing at times
it is what it is.But what is - is
larrykueneman wrote:Psychologists have implied that genius is the term describing people who have extraordinary capabilities, and originally, it seemed that was the situation. However, more recent findings indicate that genius would be the normal case if we didn't screw up our children. This damage isn't intentional, it is the way we were taught by our parents back hundreds of generations.
I was unintentionally damaged by my parents, and I didn't do a good job with my child, but it was that experience that pushed me to investigate what goes on in a childs experience that make the difference in their life from age six onward.
On occassion, parents do things differently and the kid grows up with his or her fearless curiousity intact. Generally, under these conditions we think the kid is exceptional, when with a closer look it may prove that it is the parents who had establish an exceptional experience for the child, who then grows as he or she was intended in the first place.
Not yet irreparably botched children and the hope that I can develop an effective approach to help awaken some gems in the rough who are drowning in the cesspool of a fallen humanity makes it worth going on.Dennis Mahar wrote:Clouds roll by on sunny days.
As does encouragement like this. Thanks Dennis!Dennis Mahar wrote:It is what it is. Love ya' bobby.
Thankyou Bob.As does encouragement like this. Thanks Dennis!
Thanks for sharing your observations and credentials, Larry. Bob's a reluctant (by the skin of his teeth) high school graduate, who, once loving electromechanical things far more than people, spent most of his life in the trades industry. Though his innate flame of curiosity and love for his fellows were never totally snuffed out by the wall-to-wall, dog-eat-dog human violence, darkness, and brutality. Whereupon undergoing a revolutionary awakening experience some 35 years ago he's since been passionately involved in extensive change, autopsychotheraphy, and autolearning. The latter two terms, which I find quite interesting and vital, I just recently acquired from Kazimierz Dabrowski. Bob was born and raised in Berks Co., PA and has lived for 13 months in Ojai, CA and visited there on several other occasions solely to investigate the life and works of his most notable mentor, J. Krishnamurti. He feels there's enough poetry in the world which at best serves only to give people temporary warm fuzzies. Rather he feels he must spent the rest of his days here on the planet earth forming a body of people who are capable of radical transformation and reversion to the natural human state who will then propagate a sample of the finally finished and perfected human species safely forward while the "abomination that maketh desolate" finally takes place.larrykueneman wrote:Bob Michael's writing is that of a very bright guy who is probably not an academic, but may well be self-trained. The reason I say this is that I spent my working years in technical publications, and quickly learned that good writers write for all, while academics write only for other academics.
I started as a tech writer ending up as manager of tech pubs departments for various organizations. I was also fortunate to have written in about twenty different disciplines, something that is not done in today's world. Such experience allows me to read much in good writing, and say that Bob should consider writing poetry.
By the way, while I was born in Los Angeles and raised in Southern California, where I now live, I did spend seven years in Shillington, where I owned a microfilm service bureau.
"Very astute guy." Perhaps. But when the curtain closed he was but another name on a long list of failed messiahs. I attended two of his talks the last year he spoke in the Oak Grove (1985).larrykueneman wrote:I attended a talk by Krishnamurti (very astute guy) in about 1970 in Santa Monica. I believe it was in the same auditorium where some years earlier I had been to a concert by Andres Segovia.
Just for the novelty of it. Krishnamurti had a habit of doing the same thing.larrykueneman wrote:But why speak of yourself in the third person.