Re: Dependent Origination
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:48 am
Diebert:
You might not understand what my motivation is because it is difficult to ascertain when one has no hidden agenda.
The ego is tricksey.
For example someone might think : " I am an atheist because I cannot stand the thought of being a stupid theist."
Perhaps we debate because you reinterpret what I say.
Leyla:
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If the totality/infinite is a thing as you answered, it is then finite.
Like this is a joke:
Madness takes its toll, please keep exact change.
Its just not funny when you have to say "this is a joke." Maybe I have to work on my sense of humor?
Off my planet!
Jupiviv:
I welcome criticism, it refines and purifies. I do not welcome stubborn, illogical, dishonest and incongruity pontification. I do not have the time or energy for that.
I agree, it should not even be a question at this stage. As you can see, it still is.B1: In order to allow our mind and state of being to be in sync, the first realization is that nothing exists but perceptual observations. Things do not have complete, absolute and independent reality in themselves. The universe and the mind are one and the same. Any objections?
Diebert: Should it even be questioned at this stage? What made you think that these fundamentals would be disagreed upon? Sometimes I think you bring disagreement where there's none.
You might not understand what my motivation is because it is difficult to ascertain when one has no hidden agenda.
That is because of preconceived ideas of what most want reality to be instead of what it actually is. The ego superimposes its belief systems, favorites and self validating "henid" structures of thought to create the ideal human being. This ideal human, of course, is always the 'me' that others have not yet learned to worship.But I do want to add that your "perceptual observation" turns out to be conceptual in nature. Perhaps in "henid" form at times like half finished thoughts and impressions but underneath them one can discover a lot of half-baked meaning and association.
The ego is tricksey.
Observations are "pure." We cannot help but experience raw reality. I think what you are saying is that the after the fact conceptualization is bound to the identity structure and that is almost always the case.Observations are never "pure", they are relative and person-bound in how they work out in the way we respond to those observations.
For example someone might think : " I am an atheist because I cannot stand the thought of being a stupid theist."
I do call such things concepts. I said - the infinite cannot be a concept.It's still unclear to me why you don't want to call such observation another form of conceptualization. They go hand in hand: assigning meaning and r?e?a?l?i?t?y? existence.
Perhaps we debate because you reinterpret what I say.
Leyla:
B1: First must be dispelled the myth that the infinite is finite because it can be conceptualized.
Leyla: I think you've been talking to yourself all this time, B1. Like, who said/argued that??
B1: You did for one.
Leylas: I did not, and I insist that you either retract or prove this statement.
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B1: Is it a 'thing' we are talking about?
Is the totality a thing?
Leyla: Sure, if you step out of the limitations of Buddhist philosophy and into structuralism...
If the totality/infinite is a thing as you answered, it is then finite.
It was a joke.L: Lol
B1: I get that a lot. Usually from people who have a problem that is hard to pronounce.
leyla: Namely?
Like this is a joke:
Madness takes its toll, please keep exact change.
Its just not funny when you have to say "this is a joke." Maybe I have to work on my sense of humor?
You!At least then you'd be seeing stars rather than blinding, bright lights.
Off my planet!
Jupiviv:
Think what you want but you need to be asking questions because at this point, you are not being cogent.You see, this is what I don't understand about you people. You speak about the infinite like great sages as long as you don't receive any serious criticism, but you turn into prima donnas the instant anyone starts pointing out where you're wrong.
I welcome criticism, it refines and purifies. I do not welcome stubborn, illogical, dishonest and incongruity pontification. I do not have the time or energy for that.