Dennis Mahar wrote:emptiness is known as the theory of no-theory and the profound experience of it is experiencing no-theory where a metaphysical theory one might have evaporates and is seen as empty and meaningless.
Then there's no issue, as I've read before, 'Ineffable silence'.
lol you have an endless supply of metaphors tucked away somewhere don't you. But yeah not only religion, it seems any organisation or group with a particular point of view prefers to 'convert' people to the same view, maybe in some kind of attempt to convince others instead of having to convince themselves, as if the world revolves around whichever specific profession/belief one holds.
This is more obvious with certain 'studies' such as mathematics, but the same occurs for anything really. For a horse lover it appears to them that the whole world was designed so that they could ride horses and that is the epitome of all possible lifestyles.
Everyone else has no clue, missing out on this here!
Cahoot wrote:
Consider that being born perfect does not necessarily confer perfect understanding of unborn, and wisdom requires understanding. Have you considered the Heart Sutra? Since Buddhism echoes many of your observations you may appreciate Michael Roach’s expanded translation, linked after the commentary.
http://www.buddhism.org/board/read.cgi? ... y_number=6
"what is seen is empty, what is empty is seen.
It is the same for sense perception,
imagination, mental function and judgement.
O-oh Sariputra, all the empty forms of these dharmas
neither come to be nor pass away
and are not created or annihilated,
not impure or pure,
and cannot be increased or decreased.
Since in emptiness nothing can be seen,
there is no perception, imagination, mental function or judgement.
There is no eye, ear, nose, tongue, body or consciousness.
Nor are there sights, sounds, odors, tastes, objects or dharmas.
There is no visu-al world, world of consciousness or other world.
There is no ignorance or extinction of ignorance and so forth
down to no aging and death and also no extinction of aging and death.
There is neither suffering, causation, annihilation nor path.
There is no knowing or unknowing. Since nothing can be known,
Bodhisattvas rely upon Prajna Paramita and so their minds are unhindered.
Because there is no hindrance,
no fear exists and they are far from inverted and illusory thought
and thereby attain nirvana."
The thing that shines about this and any other writing from this 'perspective' is the similar
denial of attachment to meaningless delusions expressed by all truly experiencing this.
Hence it isn't hard to see who is expressing this wisdom. Above resembles parts of 'the heart of awareness' very closely.
18.42
Some believe in existence;
others believe nothing exists.
Rare is the one who believes nothing
and is never confused.
19.2
Where is meditation, pleasure,
prosperity or discrimination?
Where is duality?
Where even is Unity?
I abide in the glory of Self.
19.3
Where is past and future,
or even present?
Where is space, or even eternity?
I abide in the glory of Self.
19.4
Where is Self?
Where is not-Self?
Where is good and evil, confusion and clarity?
I abide in the glory of Self.
19.5
Where is sleeping, dreaming, waking,
or even the fourth state?
Where is fear?
I abide in the glory of Self.
19.6
Where is close or far,
in or out,
gross or subtle?
I abide in the glory of Self
20.1
Where are the elements, the body,
the organs, the mind?
Where is the void?
Where is despair?
My nature is transparent clearness.
20.2
Where is scripture?
Where is Self-knowledge?
Where is no-mind?
Where is contentment and freedom from desire?
I am empty of two-ness.
20.3
Where is Knowledge and ignorance?
Where is “I”?
Where is “this”?
Where is “mine”?
Where is bondage and liberation?
Self has no attributes.
20.4
Where is the unfolding of karma?
Where is liberation-in-life,
or even liberation at death?
There is only One.
20.5
Where is the doer or enjoyer?
Where is the origin or end of thought?
Where is direct or reflected knowledge?
There is no person here.20.6
Where is the world?
Where is the seeker of liberation”
Where is the contemplative?
Where is the man of Knowledge?
Where is the soul in bondage?
Where is the liberated soul?
My nature is Unity.
20.7
Where are creation and destruction?
Where is the end and the means?
Where is the seeker?
Where is attainment?
I am One.
20.8
Where is the knower?
Where is knowing?
Where is the known, or knowledge itself?
Where is anything?
Where is nothing?