Oh please, you parade your magnificent ego and call it a favor to us? Aren't you the special one!sam: I don't see a problem with him talking about his experience. He never said that suing someone is the way to become self-supporting which is what you are implying. He was just giving us some background on his center.
Diebert: But what you get when you boil down the post is exactly what I described. The favor I've done him, and you, is to show how to cut away the fluff and see the underlying harsh logic in the eye, no matter how ugly it might appear.
You didn't like what he posted, fine. But then you try to make him wrong for that. Why not just say you didn't like it because of x, y or z instead of trying to make it about his supposed hyprocrisy? You make up some character flaw and try to pin it on him when all he was doing was describing a bit of his life.
Again with your ego. What the hell is with you? Don't talk to me if you don't want to talk to me but don't say it's MY problem! It's YOUR f*****g problem. I'm perfectly fine talking to whoever I wish and getting whatever response they feel like. But just because I have a point to share doesn't mean I'm some kind of brilliant genius and they're some kind of lowlife scum. Sheesh, get a grip, will you.Diebert: Wouldn't you agree I've been awfully nice and patient here?
sam: No, you haven't, just the opposite in fact.
Diebert: The fact I still talk to you is an act beyond generosity. It's like going to San Quentin prison with a bucket of roses to visit Level 4.
Actually he pointed out that women were again being bashed which was accurate. He pointed out the judgments of others that regards everyone else's life as slavery, again accurate. And he said what was being offered was the old ego strategy for creating utopia. So where were the slurs your refer to? What were the judgments?sam: Who said his point was to describe how to become less reliant on doing work or living somewhere cheap? That's your strawman. He was describing his situation, he never said it is the best or only way to do it. It was his way, that's all.
Diebert: It's the topic of this thread, mate. If he indeed just described his history - the fact is he didn't.
He explicitly judged a perceived 'ego' in all posts in the thread, thereby suggesting his posts wouldn't contain it. He concluded all of the made suggestions would be 'impossible'. He added a few slurs about things here being absurd and ridiculous just after judging the above posts to be slurs.
And back to your ego wanting to make it my problem. Sorry Diebert, I just said he was describing his situation which is accurate. You want to plaster your judgment on him and make it about that. It isn't. It is about you needing to judge him simply because he offered a description of his situation and your need to judge me because I pointed that out.All this sets the stage for the description of his situation to somehow solidify the above points but it didn't. Now you come here defending him, to weasel about his not literary claiming his point would be relevant to the discussion. Nice job, Sam. Inmates always stick up for their own kind!
Who said he was trying to contradict anyone? That would be you. Why don't you just stick to what he actually said? Why the need to pile judgment upon judgment onto him and then kick him in the groin for it? Their YOUR judgments, you deal with it!sam: Well, hooking up with his benefactor certainly was an opportunity out of the blue. The idea I got was, "pay attention and things will happen," not "look for someone with cash to set you up."
Diebert: The question remains: where's the selfless aspect exactly? Where does it contradict any of the posts that went before him? It's not me setting up that expectation, it was Mikiel.
Oh really? Let's see, didn't you write: But as a wheelchair guy with a moderate bag of money he naturally needed a builder to make the most of it and manage the estate for all practical purposes. How handy to find a flipped out stonemason basically looking to be taken for a ride.sam: You don't have to like his style. But ascribing cynical motives to him has more to do with you than him.
Diebert: Actually I didn't do that. You really are a lousy reader.
Do you really want to deny the cynical motive you are ascribing to him? Looks like I know exactly what I'm reading but you don't know what the hell you're writing.
I just did. Why don't you try reading for a change. And yes, he described his situation, so what? I don't see why you think it implied anything about anyone else.The point was about when one would strip away all the Christmas decoration, what was left was the hooking up with someone who got money, or a farm. This contains no judgment, I invite Mikiel, and you, to name things as they are.
He didn't say anything about being selfless or spiritually superior by creating his farm, that again would be you.If I was in situation I'd probably do something similar. I just wouldn't call it selfless or spiritually superior to other suggestions made in this thread. We're still talking about business, Mammon, the whole materialistic dynamic. Of course there are motives but let them be naked.
Right, you simply decided to tee off on him for the judgments you read into his description. The lack of honesty, hiding of motives and lack of substance appears to be yours, not his. Funny the way that works out, isn't it?sam: Why not give us your evidence instead of your opinions?
Diebert: Are you requiring me to prove a negative? I've challenged Mikiel's apparent lack of honesty, hiding of motives and lack of substance ('evidence') in his post. It's up to him to provide more clarity but I see no reason for him to do so. The pipeline told me :)
Ah, the ego that loves to describe its vicious assaults as benevolent guidance. How wonderful of you, you're so thoughtful and caring of others!sam: Do you always insult people you are trying to befriend?
Diebert: If only they would feel insulted! Then there's hope they might start to think why they feel that way. I'm sure Mikiel would understand with his admitted 'rude boy' persona.
I'm sure you want to justify it. Nevertheless, it was uncalled for.Better to see it as probing, sharp instruments to get to the bottom of more often than not intuited shadow spots. No point in doing that with people who live completely in the shadow.
Just cop to it and we'll call it a day.sam: Fine. I just found your post to be an assault and battery without provocation.
Diebert: So sue me!