Post Enlightenment...

[Dan Rowden]

Ryan,

A sage is able to judge behavior as inferior without feeling any sort of egotistical emotional reward.

Not possible. Judging as inferior is saying that you are better than them.

And he spreads wisdom because it is the most important thing one can do.

I try to analyze this from a sage's perspective and I really can't see how it is important other than to alleviate his boredom or to gain followers and power.

You may be trying to do this but it's not working for me. A sage does not experience boredom or have need of followers or power. You are seeing all of these things through your own egotistical filters.

He realizes there is no purpose to life so why should he be concerned with others realizing this?

It's irrelevant that there is no objective or ultimate meaning or purpose to life. This means nothing at all to the sage. The sage simply goes about being what he is. Our commonly conceived notion of "purpose" always has connection to the delusion of an inherently existing self and an objective reality from which purpose is derived and granted meaning and worth.. The sage doesn't think in these terms. He simply manifests what he is and what he is is wisdom. This manifestation will take the form of certain goals, judgments and activities which can be categorised as his "purpose" for practical language reasons but which are really just the sage being what he is.

He has no vested interest in anything.

Yes, if that vested interest is ego.

[1ntel]

As for my post...

[Dan Rowden]

If someone thinks it's worth addressing they'll get around to it. Inserting comments like that will just get you ignored. Remember what I said about patience? That seems to be your greatest need right now.

[Pincho Paxton]

Thanks Dan.

David Quinn: Precisely because he continues to value truth. You have to keep in mind that the sage, like everyone else, has to value something. It is impossible to stop valuing altogether. Valuing one thing at the expense of another is part and parcel of having a mind. Even to value nothing at all is form of valuing something.

To me enlightenment (perfection-something not totally attainable-which means unattainable), is the realization that it's all meaningless. In that, there's reason for everything, but it's all connected and on a fixed path. This to me means life loses all purpose. This is why I feel people intentionally delude themselves to feel as if they're in-control.

How do I rid myself of delusion (LOL)-->I think I'd disappear if I did this!

No really, how? (It's unaskable and it's unanswerable!!!!!!)

How many more people are going to post this. It's not true. Not everything happens at the same speed as nature. Nature is a flow.. yes. But things can happen whilst nature is moving to its next stage. Therefore things can break natures natural flow. My mind can decide to grab a leaf from the air as it falls. My mind is way faster than nature.. infact instant. So I can think to grab the leaf, and then my body is restricted to the speed of nature, but at least my arm will have started moving towards the leaf.

[1ntel]

Or you can make up the whole thing and instead of reality...Dream. You can do anything within your imagination, what concerns me is reality. The Reality. My Reality...

[Pincho Paxton]

Or you can make up the whole thing and instead of reality...Dream. You can do anything with in our imagination, what concerns me is reality. The Reality.

I have posted this all day. I will have to make a thread with all of the information in it.

Here is a link...
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3494

[Ignis Fatuus]

That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Pincho Paxton]

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Well you can always ask about the parts that do not make sense. However, you should not question the "Spooky Action At A Distance" link, as they are regarded as true already. Therefore are not questioned.

[Ignis Fatuus]

http://members.optushome.com.au/davidqu ... ntents.htm

Have you read the above?

[Pincho Paxton]

http://members.optushome.com.au/davidqu ... ntents.htm

Have you read the above?

I've read that... can't find any truth in it. It disagrees with the scientific observation that a particle can be in two states at the same time. Therefore not linear.

Make your own mind up.

[Dan Rowden]

Your assertion that two particles can communicate across the universe is the most idiotic nonsense ever typed in the history of idiotic nonsense. It is a typical New Age distortion of quantum theory assertions - note: assertions - i.e. interpretation of data. Quantum physicists are as full of bullshit as modern astronomers. They have become the new Shakespearean literati -playing to the media and benefactors at the expense of science.

[Pincho Paxton]

Your assertion that two particles can communicate across the universe is the most idiotic nonsense ever typed in the history of idiotic nonsense. It is a typical New Age distortion of quantum theory assertions - note: assertions - i.e. interpretation of data. Quantum physicists are as full of bullshit as modern astronomers. They have become the new Shakespearean literati -playing to the media and benefactors at the expense of science.

Then you need to explain how the experiments with particles actually work. Because you are saying that the results from the experiments are false. You can't just say that there is no cat when everyone else can see a cat. However... the distance is really irrelevent to my theory of sentience. We can be sentient from a shorter distance if you like. We can even be sentient from the same physical origin as our body. we can be sentient in our brain if that makes you feel better.

[Dan Rowden]

No quantum theorist asserts that particles act across the universe and expects to be taken seriously. You have asserted this and it is plainly stupid. Quantum theory that does not transpose to repeatable physical macro application - is simply in the "we don't know yet" basket. There is zero philosophical relevance to any of it. There is no evidence at all that quantum synchronicity isn't a result of the experiment itself, for example.

[Pincho Paxton]

No quantum theorist asserts that particles act across the universe and expects to be taken seriously. You have asserted this and it is plainly stupid.

Well you seem to be one of those people that just knows that something is stupid. However, I believe that there are a few examples. Like light reaching the Earth from billions of light years away, and photons require an observer, according to the experiments. Quite a large distance already.

[tooyi]

Pincho,

the very first things that leads you astray is your trust of the fundamental reality of particles, state, and time. Also, as Dan said, it makes a world of difference to see the experiment covering not just the particles, but the observer, and the equipment, too.

Earlier, I tried to give you one possible scenario of thinking about it that would no longer have the illusory roadblocks that blind you, but you probably didn't even try to read them. You take things for granted just because science says so, without even understanding the basic elements that are being used to say those things. Then you project your fantasies on top of that heap of pure bile of garbage.

The experiments probing quantum level reality must also cover not just the thing itself but the equipment, including the method (the tool) of science itself, as a subject.

Quite a large distance already.

You do not respect the possibilities of what distance means. You take your poor understanding of distance as a real thing.

If you take a basketball size of sphere of the void in space, tell, what is it that keeps the points on that sphere from being a single point? Place a point in center of that sphere. What holds the center from the ball surface?

Yeah, distance.

But you do not understand distance. You think you do, because the common sense says, it should be simple. But you really don't get it.

[Pincho Paxton]

Pincho,

the very first things that leads you astray is your trust of the fundamental reality of particles, state, and time. Also, as Dan said, it makes a world of difference to see the experiment covering not just the particles, but the observer, and the equipment, too.

Earlier, I tried to give you one possible scenario of thinking about it that would no longer have the illusory roadblocks that blind you, but you probably didn't even try to read them. You take things for granted just because science says so, without even understanding the basic elements that are being used to say those things. Then you project your fantasies on top of that heap of pure bile of garbage.

The experiments probing quantum level reality must also cover not just the thing itself but the equipment, including the method (the tool) of science itself, as a subject.

Quite a large distance already.

You do not respect the possibilities of what distance means. You take your poor understanding of distance as a real thing.

If you take a basketball size of sphere of the void in space, tell, what is it that keeps the points on that sphere from being a single point? Place a point in center of that sphere. What holds the center from the ball surface?

Yeah, distance.

But you do not understand distance. You think you do, because the common sense says, it should be simple. But you really don't get it.

Dark Matter holds it in place, and creates its bounderies, and creates all physical things. Just not sentience.

[Trevor Salyzyn]

When a quantum physicist asserts that the physical world is more fucked up than anything we can imagine, I wonder why so many people suddenly think that anything goes. If it's more fucked up than anything you can imagine, don't waste your fucking time trying to imagine it.

[Pincho Paxton]

When a quantum physicist asserts that the physical world is more fucked up than anything we can imagine, I wonder why so many people suddenly think that anything goes. If it's more fucked up than anything you can imagine, don't waste your fucking time trying to imagine it.

It's not fucked up. It all makes perfect sense to me. In fact, The quantum results fix a lot of problems that I had in understanding sentience, and how light got to Earth before the Earth was even born. And how to break the linear universe theory, and how the universe began, and what Dark Matter is, and proof that it is there, and how I see, and how I control my electrons, and how light looks like it has two states, and why it appears to have 1 speed, and how I touch things, and why glass is transparent. Load of information in quantum physics.

[Trevor Salyzyn]

Pincho,

It's not fucked up. It all makes perfect sense to me.

This is often the clearest sign of delirium.

[Pincho Paxton]

Pincho,

It's not fucked up. It all makes perfect sense to me.

This is often the clearest sign of delirium.

Or, you just don't try to understand it.

[Dan Rowden]

No quantum theorist asserts that particles act across the universe and expects to be taken seriously. You have asserted this and it is plainly stupid.

Well you seem to be one of those people that just knows that something is stupid. However, I believe that there are a few examples. Like light reaching the Earth from billions of light years away, and photons require an observer, according to the experiments. Quite a large distance already.

Sure, but that's not what I'm talking about. I was talking about instantaneous action/communication. It is a mere assertion with no logic that I can discern and zero verifiability.

[Pincho Paxton]

No quantum theorist asserts that particles act across the universe and expects to be taken seriously. You have asserted this and it is plainly stupid.

Well you seem to be one of those people that just knows that something is stupid. However, I believe that there are a few examples. Like light reaching the Earth from billions of light years away, and photons require an observer, according to the experiments. Quite a large distance already.

Sure, but that's not what I'm talking about. I was talking about instantaneous action/communication. It is a mere assertion with no logic that I can discern and zero verifiability.

Well they are taking the particles further, and further away, and still getting instant communication with them. If you check my link they are taking the particles hundreds of metres apart to test them.

http://whyfiles.org/shorties/133quantum_leap/

Even from two buildings nearly 600 meters apart, during a night of 50 km/h winds, across trees and power lines, the particles stayed entangled. In effect, one particle could "communicate" with the other in an instant, without any visible connection bridging the two.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Pincho Paxton

It's not fucked up. It all makes perfect sense to me.

What makes perfect sense?

If I'm physically at home, but mentally project myself to a different place, does this mean I'm in two places at once? ...Which one is real, how can you possibly know this to be without a doubt?

If this makes perfect sense, then it's wrong. It always is...

[Ignis Fatuus]

FINE, fuck it and DELETE THIS POST...Please.

[Trevor Salyzyn]

Pincho,

Or, you just don't try to understand it.

It is not a virtue to pretend an understanding. You are playing make-believe with something that has frustrated a generation of specialists. None of your blather has impressed me in any way. Maybe you should start on smaller problems that you can resolve, and work yourself up to the trickier things.