The Road to Hell ...

[Whatshappening]

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." I'm sure most have heard the phrase.

I was watching a program the other night. "I didn't want anyone to get hurt"...was his intention, which played out entirely different. Everyone got hurt.

His intention was simple, foolishly simple. Yet instead of no-one hurt, all suffered. What happened, what went wrong. Fortunately, nothing went wrong. Externally, it all went right.

We've all experienced this, so you know what I mean. (I intentionally avoid explaining what is obvious from our common experience, or by simple deduction) His mindset was the problem. For whatever reason, he didn't want anyone to get hurt, but reality doesn't work that way. Everyone got hurt.

Which brings up a realization. I'm a carpenter, I've built thousands of buildings, most of them houses. Residential was my first 15 yrs of 30. If you happened by the job site and asked me what I was doing I would never say" building a house". I'd say something like "I'm building footings, or I'm building walls, or installing windows, or building a roof. When I think about my activities, it's exactly that. I'm never building a house I'm always building something else. It becomes a house when I'm done but that's incidental to my actual activities.

Hold on a minute...Did I just said incidental to my actual activities? That sounds like a, potential, principle. Could that be the case in other things in my life, in our life's. I know it is. I know this to be sound, there's been too many years. Too many years where I've seen this both at work and play. It leaves me wondering, however.

It leaves me wondering about spirituality and paths to enlightenment. These too seem like incidentals.(upon reflection I recognize the incidental path as a path, the "is" in the "isn't" if you will) Secondly, with all the violence associated with mainstream religion, I'm reminded me of the program. Everyone got hurt. That's seems like a tell tale. (tell tale=reality telling us something)

Anyways...I'll make an assumption, gaining enlightenment/spirituality is incidental. If that's the case, then how? How can the principle of incidentals be applied?

Applied
Gary

[Dennis Mahar]

'house' is reified.

Reification (also known as concretism, or the fallacy of misplaced concreteness) is a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction (abstract belief or hypothetical construct) is treated as if it were a concrete, real event, or physical entity. In other words, it is the error of treating as a "real thing" something which is not a real thing, but merely an idea.

'house' is found to be pieces and parts as wide as the universe.

for instance,
wood needs trees, trees need soil, climate.
climate needs planet,
planet needs solar system,
solar system needs galaxy,
galaxy needs universe.

intricate web of interconnectivity, inter-relationship.
dependent origination,
no boundaries anywhere.

baby is born.
reified as 'Jim',
as if 'Jim' existed from 'Jims' own side,
as if 'Jim' had absolute existence.
'Jim' is found to be pieces/parts as wide as the universe.

[Whatshappening]

[quote="Dennis Mahar"]'house' is reified.

Reification (also known as concretism, or the fallacy of misplaced concreteness) is a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction (abstract belief or hypothetical construct) is treated as if it were a concrete, real event, or physical entity. In other words, it is the error of treating as a "real thing" something which is not a real thing, but merely an idea.

Spoken like a "Professional", until a tradesman comes along and beats you with the silly stick.

As to the rest, I love that stuff. Just like the skin of my favorite meal.

Favorite
Gary

[Dennis Mahar]

Gary,

Can we identify existence as:

one body,
Universe,
split up in to pieces and parts,
each not the same and not different,

one mind,
split up in to myriad viewpoints

one spirit.

The web looks like,
in the mind's eye,
one of those 'exploded view' drawings used in technical engineering text books.

There's not much to it at all really,
no reason to get excited.

The idea of a Buddha is to drop in on the locals for a 'head's up'.

[Whatshappening]

Gary,

Can we identify existence as:

one body,
Universe,
split up in to pieces and parts,
each not the same and not different,

one mind,
split up in to myriad viewpoints

one spirit.

The web looks like,
in the mind's eye,
one of those 'exploded view' drawings used in technical engineering text books.

There's not much to it at all really,
no reason to get excited.

The idea of a Buddha is to drop in on the locals for a 'head's up'.

Dennis

Can we identify a watch (existence) as:

one body,
Universe,
split up in to pieces and parts,
each not the same and not different,

one mind,
split up in to myriad viewpoints

one spirit.

The web looks like,
in the mind's eye,
one of those 'exploded view' drawings used in technical engineering text books.

There's not much to it at all really,
no reason to get excited. I think I hear ticking, action gets me excited. Or anytime someone yells "concrete is here". More action...ok that's enough.

The idea of a Buddha is to drop in on the locals for a 'head's up'. Thanks for the "heads up"...always appreciated.

Appreciated
Gary

[ForbidenRea]

'house' is reified.

Reification (also known as concretism, or the fallacy of misplaced concreteness) is a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction (abstract belief or hypothetical construct) is treated as if it were a concrete, real event, or physical entity. In other words, it is the error of treating as a "real thing" something which is not a real thing, but merely an idea.

'house' is found to be pieces and parts as wide as the universe.

for instance,
wood needs trees, trees need soil, climate.
climate needs planet,
planet needs solar system,
solar system needs galaxy,
galaxy needs universe.

intricate web of interconnectivity, inter-relationship.
dependent origination,
no boundaries anywhere.

baby is born.
reified as 'Jim',
as if 'Jim' existed from 'Jims' own side,
as if 'Jim' had absolute existence.
'Jim' is found to be pieces/parts as wide as the universe.

Denise Maur,
You're re-edification has a bit of a snag. Whating the sun does not get you backed...

[Whatshappening]

"How can the principle of incidentals be applied?" No one wants to explore?

Explore
Gary

[DonaldJ]

This is hell.. We got here by taking the road that saw us dismantle heaven for hell's building materials...

You ain't gonna get out of it...

The question remain: "Why do you pray in hell?"..

[Dan Rowden]

Hell is full of people who use ellipses instead of commas and periods.

[Whatshappening]

This is hell.. We got here by taking the road that saw us dismantle heaven for hell's building materials...

You ain't gonna get out of it...

The question remain: "Why do you pray in hell?"..

How can you talk like that? What Hell?

It's a strange conclusion considering the situation. Probably a conclusion drawn from a wishful and/or suffering mind.

Mind
Gary

[ForbidenRea]

People that are in Hell have no way out...

[ForbidenRea]

Hell is full of people who use ellipses instead of commas and periods.

A dead end for moonseers.

[Whatshappening]

People that are in Hell have no way out...

"no way out...", that sounds like a rule. There are rules in hell, wonderful. That sounds like Heaven, blissful.

Blissful
Gary

[SuperMegaUltraGenius]

The Road to Hell ... Starring Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and Dorothy Lamour.