Woman as friend

[Isaac]

I can't see how anyone would want to live their lives with the idea that women are a curse or something. Since I was about 3 fucking years old I have looked for a bond with a female counterpart in order to feel complete. I did not look for sex or power, but rather understanding and a wholeness that brings an overwhelming richness of experience every day. It was actually quite easy to attain when I was 3,4,5, and pretty much right up to where my dick started taking over, and even then the biggest problem was with regards to all the bullshit that "male values" brought with them. It was enough to make me consider becoming permanently asexual. And it was at the point of giving up fighting against the tide of masculine expectations, that I found all kinds of relationships with women becoming possible again.

When I found my latest girlfriend, both myself and my her were very independent. We didn't come together out of a need to overcome any weakness or dependency. And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact. Nothing else matters. We make each other better, and we experience the world in a more fulfilling way than we would alone.

[Carl G]

Since I was about 3 fucking years old I have looked for a bond with a female counterpart in order to feel complete.

And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact. Nothing else matters.

So, in other words, you yourself were (and perhaps still are) a woman.

[Nick]

I can't see how anyone would want to live their lives with the idea that women are a curse or something. Since I was about 3 fucking years old I have looked for a bond with a female counterpart in order to feel complete. I did not look for sex or power, but rather understanding and a wholeness that brings an overwhelming richness of experience every day.

An alcoholic would say the same thing about liquor bringing a richness to life that they can't otherwise get without it.

It was actually quite easy to attain when I was 3,4,5, and pretty much right up to where my dick started taking over, and even then the biggest problem was with regards to all the bullshit that "male values" brought with them. It was enough to make me consider becoming permanently asexual. And it was at the point of giving up fighting against the tide of masculine expectations, that I found all kinds of relationships with women becoming possible again.

Well yes I agree that having "male values" i.e. woman's acceptance, pushed on you is a drag, and yes it is unfortunate that the means by which men gain her acceptance is the only option society at large offers one to afford a living. But lets be honest here, all you've done is find a different way to enter that wonder land of years gone by, and that would be to live through women because they still have a close connection to that richness of life you experienced as a child.

When I found my latest girlfriend, both myself and my her were very independent. We didn't come together out of a need to overcome any weakness or dependency. And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact. Nothing else matters. We make each other better, and we experience the world in a more fulfilling way than we would alone.

You've become children, that is all. She gives you access to the childish state of mind you want back because she is still childish enough to maintain that state of mind on her own, and you give her all the adoration she could ever want for doing the only thing she can do.

[Steven Coyle]

Nah, cool honey's are dope. Convert impurities to 'the animal' components and upgrade. Find brilliant people to hang with and share life light. Get creative with it. Watch out for the air hockey table, though!

[Carl G]

Yeah, Steve's right. Smoke that shit, dude.

[skipair]

LOL@Carl

Isaac wrote:

And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact.

Would you be able to give up HER to go off on your own to become an even better man for her later on? Isn't that what you would have to do if the relationship starts to falter?

[Anders Schlander]

I can't see how anyone would want to live their lives with the idea that women are a curse or something. Since I was about 3 fucking years old I have looked for a bond with a female counterpart in order to feel complete. I did not look for sex or power, but rather understanding and a wholeness that brings an overwhelming richness of experience every day. It was actually quite easy to attain when I was 3,4,5, and pretty much right up to where my dick started taking over, and even then the biggest problem was with regards to all the bullshit that "male values" brought with them. It was enough to make me consider becoming permanently asexual. And it was at the point of giving up fighting against the tide of masculine expectations, that I found all kinds of relationships with women becoming possible again.

When I found my latest girlfriend, both myself and my her were very independent. We didn't come together out of a need to overcome any weakness or dependency. And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact. Nothing else matters. We make each other better, and we experience the world in a more fulfilling way than we would alone.

Aren't you then holding that relationship dearly precious when you say you would be prepared to give up absolutely anything except your relationship?

It seems that your finding value in your life through the relationship, but again, it seems to me that it's more comfortable to stall together than to advance alone.

[divine focus]

When I found my latest girlfriend, both myself and my her were very independent. We didn't come together out of a need to overcome any weakness or dependency. And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact. Nothing else matters. We make each other better, and we experience the world in a more fulfilling way than we would alone.

If you grow as a result, you got money.

[divine focus]

Some "rare" relationships exist to promote healing.

[Cahoot]

The stronger the woman the more she is like a force of nature: beautiful, destructive, replenishing, impartial, unfair.

It’s not like you survive the force and live happily ever after, for like nature, she perpetually continues. But if you can merge into harmony with this force rather than cling to memories of accumulated experiences that lullaby you into nostalgic reveries of the “good times,” and make you think you’ve got her figured out, if you can appreciate her for what she is now and survive the exposures to her extremes (and you will survive even though sometimes it doesn’t seem possible), you’ll be a better man because of a strong woman.

[Rafael T.M]

Would you be able to give up HER to go off on your own to become an even better man for her later on? Isn't that what you would have to do if the relationship starts to falter?

To be a better man for her?

Uhm...

I wish people who replied to this elaborated more on their thoughts.

Uhm...

I really dont know, perhaps there are relationships worth the while you know? From my experience, I see there´s no future with the girls I have met in my life. They are screw ups and would probably be future screw ups (yes, there´s always some risk after you marry).

So for me, no relationships worth while so far.

[Blair]

Uhm...
I really dont know, perhaps there are relationships worth the while you know?

There's only one that's worthwhile, or even valid, your relationship with yourself.

They are screw ups and would probably be future screw ups

What you see is what you are.

[Rafael T.M]

OMFG Prince.

How can one be so contradictory in one little post.

You are saying exactly what I´m saying, man, jeez...

Uhm...

What I see is what I am right?

Take a look at your toilet next time you take a shit my friend: what you see is what you are.

That´s it, i´m outta this. No "spiritual" conversations can really be taken out of this forum with these people.

Geez...

[Dan Rowden]

I think the point that Prince was making there was that the way we interpret things often speaks to our own nature more than the things in question - i.e. I suspect he was making a point about psychological projection.

[Leyla Shen]

LOL. Just as I finished a discussion via email with a friend on the subject of friendship with women, and as I was reading this thread, my son walked in and proclaimed, "I hate girls. Every one of them. They're all evil!" :)

[Leyla Shen]

When I found my latest girlfriend, both myself and my her were very independent. We didn't come together out of a need to overcome any weakness or dependency. And yet I would be prepared to give up absolutely anything in order to keep what we have intact. Nothing else matters. We make each other better, and we experience the world in a more fulfilling way than we would alone.

So, let me get this straight, you both developed a weakness and dependency only AFTER meeting and having a relationship with eachother?

[Leyla Shen]

On another thread, Elizabeth wrote:

Leyla, WTF is your new avatar?

It’s pretty hard to see as a tiny web image, but she is actually holding (what represents) her pussy on a lead.

Micro-porn?

Heh, cute. Not quite. Though I'm sure it could rather easily serve that purpose for some. :)

To me, it’s a political icon; the perfect imago (idealised image) of politicised Woman. It’s every individual female abstracted into existence as citizen and then reintegrated by ego (hers and those of others') in some form into her role in private life.

[sue hindmarsh]

Leyla wrote:

Elizabeth wrote: Micro-porn?

Heh, cute. Not quite. Though I'm sure it could rather easily serve that purpose for some. :)

To me, it’s a political icon; the perfect imago (idealised image) of politicised Woman. It’s every individual female abstracted into existence as citizen and then reintegrated by ego (hers and those of others') in some form into her role in private life.

The woman does look very gynoid-ish (female android).

Are you then saying with your "perfect imago" point, that all females are, at base, soulless malleable bits of flesh?

Or is that just the "abstraction", and her real nature lies separate and distanced from that abstraction?

[Leyla Shen]

Hi Sue.

This one, if by “her” you mean Woman and not the individual female (an important qualification):

Or is that just the "abstraction", and her real nature lies separate and distanced from that abstraction?

I do not hold absolutely that every individual female shares a mutually exclusive “real nature” to that of every individual male; Woman knows no bounds :). That’s what makes it an abstraction. For instance, since the image can have an equally influential effect on males (if not relying on them wholesale), Woman’s “real nature” is by no means exclusive to females.

[jupiviv]

Not to disrupt the magnificent conversation here, but the vagueness of thought on this forum - with regard to both purely philosophical and other matters - seems to grow with every visit I make here.

The stronger the woman the more she is like a force of nature: beautiful, destructive, replenishing, impartial, unfair.

It’s not like you survive the force and live happily ever after, for like nature, she perpetually continues. But if you can merge into harmony with this force rather than cling to memories of accumulated experiences that lullaby you into nostalgic reveries of the “good times,” and make you think you’ve got her figured out, if you can appreciate her for what she is now and survive the exposures to her extremes (and you will survive even though sometimes it doesn’t seem possible), you’ll be a better man because of a strong woman.

If men say things like this, what could women possibly learn?

[Leyla Shen]

If men say things like this, what could women possibly learn?

How much shit some men talk?

[Steven Coyle]

Cellphone's Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUiHaQQDJNs&NR=1

[yana]

If my girlfriend is my friend (which she is), then how can women be my enemies? Wise up, pals. Woman is not our enemy.

[Nick]

If my girlfriend is my friend (which she is), then how can women be my enemies?

It depends on your karma. If it is your fate to remain in samsara, unconscious, and experience life as an emotional roller coaster, women will be your best friends.
If it is your fate to become highly conscious, uncover truth, and attain enlightenment, women are undoubtedly your enemy.

[yana]

Nick Treklis: I have deliberately chosen to remain in samsara to pass on my genes to my children. But, and I stress but, one can have both as a genius and a father. Fate is not unpossible you know...

And yes, woman remain enemy to conscious thought. I am her slave nowadays, NOT.