GENIUS FORUMS

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Did I imply somewhere it was not worthy of any representation?<hr><br/> <br/> In your 1, 2, 3 representation of reality, I reckon it is implicit by default, which is why I said one would have to intuit the idea of emptiness -- or infinity. One would already have to know the idea t...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Okay, how about: brain + society + oxygen + quantum particles + genes + evolution + everything else in the Universe. That suit you? Nature creates the thoughts.<hr><br/> <br/> Hm. From one extreme to the other, eh? Well, this one is better. I mean, I'd hate for someone to get the ...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>analog: Thoughts within a human mind can be categorized as subsets or "sub-realities" of some larger, uniformly perceived reality - both exist as a "fact" but both are categorically different. <br/> <br/> DQ: If Reality is the totality of all there is, then the concrete world is a...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Do you want to talk philosophy or science? I'll stick to philosophy.<hr><br/> <br/> Yeah?<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>Make up your mind!<hr><br/> <br/> Oh, be consistent will you. Don’t you mean “make up your brain”?<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>If one says "the brain is the mi...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>I think the truth was empirical.<hr><br/> <br/> Exactly.<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>The brain is often regarded as the seat of mind in its entirety (and with good reason), therefore ...<hr><br/> <br/> Not a very sound argument or logical proof, really. We are talking philosophy, h...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>There is never a time when the "I" exists. That is the illusion which must be given up. <hr><br/> <br/> Impossible. Why should this particular illusion be given up any more readily than any other presented by sensory perceptics?<br/> <br/> It is delusion that must be given up. Del...

<t>Secondly,<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>A maximal greatness does not necessarily mean "infinite" greatness, thus the conceptual baggage that comes along with the idea of infinity is avoided. <hr><br/> <br/> But you still haven't told me what it does mean. Is it some nebulous idea that sits in the ce...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>The brain is thinking it, not the "I".<hr> <br/> <br/> I'd like to see you logically substantiate this claim in the same way as you did the only-a-sage-and-truth proposition. <br/> <br/> The brain does not function alone.<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>The "I" cannot think anything, a...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>LS: Abstract and concrete are all part of the one reality -- they are the parameters, “at this time.”<hr><br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>A57: Abstract reality is not equivalent to concrete reality.<hr><br/> <br/> Wow. How funny. Are we speaking the same language, or what?<br/> <br...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>The debate would always be about what the best number, symbol, phrase, analogy or parable is in a certain context. At some point you need to make a distinction between that is in general leading to more delusion and what might help leading out of it.<hr> <br/> <br/> Yes.<br/> <br/...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>There exist parameters between abstract reality and concrete reality. Can these parameters, or "boundaries" be precisely explicated at this time?<hr> <br/> <br/> Abstract and concrete are all part of the one reality -- they are the parameters, “at this time.”<br/> <br/> Quote:...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Using zero as a pointer to emptiness, mystery or even infinity I find debatable or confusing at the very least. It basically signifies 'lack'.<hr><br/> <br/> The confusion is not caused by the use of the symbol zero, but by a misapplied definition. I think zero is a good symbol fo...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>A real apple has greater existence than a thought-apple.<hr><br/> <br/> Then, you must be able to define the properties that make this a truth. Are you simply trying to say that a real apple has more solidity than a thought apple? More time? More quantity? How are you measuring an...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Sapius: Does the physical world exist without a mind being around to be aware of it? and would there be anything meaningful around in that world?<hr><br/> <br/> Oh no, not the if-a-tree-falls-in-a-forest-and-there's-noone-there-to-hear-it-did-it-make-a-sound-?-!-! question again.....

<t>Oh my God, David Quinn!<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>In my view, everything is perfect and beautiful because everything is a manifestation of Nature. Even the warts on a person's face and the stammerings in his voice and the stools he produces in the toilet are perfect manifestations of Nature and ...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>To allow contradictory values to continue, because of the stimulus to be truthful, is actually illogical and an act of egotism, because it wants to hold something back and to deny that Ultimate Truth is everything.<hr><br/> <br/> That's one of the reaons I love Shakespeare: to be,...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>To me, the only genuine form of asceticism is the mind dwelling in emptiness. By undercutting existence at its root, one is permanently beyond all things - even if one is fully immersed in the day-to-day running of the world. <hr><br/> <br/> This I agree with completely.</t>

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>That's how i measure the path of asceticism. It's fraud not to want the ultimate, and accordingly not to give everything in return.<hr><br/> <br/> Well, Kelly Jones 210, I think you have answered David's question perfectly in that last sentence.<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>It's lik...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Yes, I was using the term "delight" rather loosely here. "Appreciate the significance of" might be a better way of putting it. But there is no real way to describe this heightened consciousness. <hr><br/> <br/> I reckon "infinite clarity and understanding" probably describes it pr...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>I choose to think that Weininger suicided to give meaning to the survival of wisdom, a case of "remember the purpose" rather than "remember the fallen". If he had lived as a "fallen" it would have been murder.<hr><br/> <br/> Kelly Jones 210: surprisingly, you are quite the romanti...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>This appearance arises because ethics desires a practical embodiment in time, while logic, so to speak, is before all time. Ethics says what ought to be, logic says what is, that something is, that certain propositions have validity. Thus ethics gives to human birth a meaning rela...

Quote:Quote:<hr>Let's see if you guys can try to just grasp the jist. <hr>

No worries. However, a counter-challenge: let's see how long it takes you to see if "we" have grasped the jist -- if "we" have ever considered the idea of which you speak.

<t>David wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>At this stage, I am only probing as to how much value you place on Truth. What are you willing to pay for it? It is a question which is asked of all of us, in every moment of the day. The core question of faith.<hr><br/> <br/> Hm. Pay for it? Capitalism, it...

<t>David asked:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>If you had to make the choice to sacrifice your children's lives for the sake of attaining the highest understanding of Reality, would you do it? <br/> <hr><br/> <br/> LOL. Sometimes, I need no altruistic motive to experience such a desire.<br/> <br/> More ...

<t>I reckon you're good value, jimhaz.<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>I still think there is a strong possibility that enlightenment merely gives one a constant illusion-of-reality to refer to.<br/> <br/> What seems to happen is that after a certain amount of concentration on a single purpose, namely th...