GENIUS FORUMS

DvR: So you have managed to drag this thread back onto your well worn path and still nobody has any idea if you or Russell have had any insights at all.

Why not just start a thread called 'Post here if you want to discuss the detritus of Logic and language ad infinitum?'

the recognition of no-self is something I have not experienced and is something that really (if there was any logic which there isn't) How are you able to determine that there is no logic within an experience you claim to have never had? I sort of expected this comment from you. What I was referrin...

No-self, impermanence, timelessness, non-duality, causality, the first three around ten years ago, the fourth about seven years ago, the fifth just recently. The most memorable of the four was the insight of no-self. I was lying in bed thinking as I usually did about these things and suddenly, I bo...

A few months ago I asked a question about how much experience others here have had on the road to finding yourself. Now I am interested in what insights have been thrown up and what you observed within yourself. I was a member of the School of Philosophy for 5 years and one thing they claimed was th...

ardy: Still the gateless gate sits there waiting for us to understand. Which means all one has to do is want to understand it. First, it seems worthy to note this from Wiki: Although the short title The Gateless Gate has become fairly common in English, this translation must be rejected upon closer...

The Tao Te Ching seems plenty dialectical to me, and so do all teachings of wisdom. The lesson in general is about seeing through duality into non-duality. To be hung up in the dialectics means that one hasn't yet sufficiently broken through to formlessness, in one's understanding, self dialect, or...

ardy: There is something that does not move or change and has always been there. It is silent, encompasses everything If "it" encompasses everything, then it is one with everything. Are you not one of the everything? Movingalways. Buddha stated that we are all enlightened it is just that ...

Perhaps it's an idea to burn the Tao Te Ching to ashes? If nobody could write anything better in 3000 years something has gone horribly wrong. But more likely we prefer ancient stuff as to sanctify and consider it more pure and validated. This is a funny aspect of how our mind looks for truth in a ...

As the tao undo its own doing, you should be able to answer your own questions. Sorry Bobo I have no idea what you are talking about.. In this case I would recommend thinking at least twice if not thrice before acting, maybe in time people will get when they need to think and when to act. No this i...

The Tao Te Ching seems plenty dialectical to me, and so do all teachings of wisdom. The lesson in general is about seeing through duality into non-duality. To be hung up in the dialectics means that one hasn't yet sufficiently broken through to formlessness, in one's understanding, self dialect, or...

I mean something like one doesn't need opposition to get the contraposition to one's position. My thinking then would be that if Lao-tsu had written more in terms of a position and the opposite things could be more clear, and here I mean the form of the text because taoism is pretty much about yin ...

traditionally words are taken to be pointers to mirages? Anyway, that's probably why absolutes tend to be feminine. Maybe the problem with tao te ching is that it is not dialectical enough. It's only for those with the dialectics within. To some extent Bobo. Dialectic argument tends to take you now...

That holds just as much for speaking about a speck of dust. The speck of dust that is spoken of is not the Great Speck of Dust! DvR the difference is a speck of dust holds no interest to us the Tao does or we would not be discussing it 3,000 years later. It's not helping to suggest there are differ...

That would mean the author Laozi would not understand it either? The way IT is spoken of is generally in what it's not - thus 'the Tao that is spoken of is not the great Tao'. It's clear he cannot stop talking about it, directly or indirectly! He is trying to tell about the untellable and in doing ...

You're wasting my fucking time. Patriarch please tell me what is so important about your time compared to ours? You talk like a precocious child who wants desperately to prove they are superior but not too sure if they are or not. There are many here to learn from if you listen before you pull the ...

The Tao of heaven Benefits and does not harm The Tao of sages Assists and does not contend ardy, what do you make of the final line of the final chapter of the Tao te ching? Hi Pam? It strikes me as a simple statement about Tao and another way I look at it is that its always bubbling away beneath (...

The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao So if I read that quote right, there are two Tao's? Of one true and one false? It's interesting in the original text as it reads more like "Tao doing Tao vs constant Tao". Some illustation where you can see the character repeat, the form a...

Thanks DvR - I most probably earned that but that does not make you right or me wrong. I have never claimed any particular attainment or even deep understanding as you should know if you read any of my posts about my history. Yeah, I know. It was a tongue in cheek kind of jousting. Perfectly harmle...

Hi Movingalways and Patriarch: This is not about anything else apart from an understanding about enlightenment. I claim that there is nothing you can say about it that is true. Still waiting for the poem or statement from someone here who claims they have broken through. I'm sorry, I lost interest ...

Hi Movingalways and Patriarch: This is not about anything else apart from an understanding about enlightenment. I claim that there is nothing you can say about it that is true. The only way enlightenment is accepted is via the deep understanding of an enlightened person recognising it in another. In...

There is little that I or anyone here can offer you and you seem limited in your understanding like the rest of us. I have been through your thinking about the 'logic' of enlightenment and the simplicity of it and it is a dead end. We are all too full of ourselves to recognise this fundamental part...

"Enlightenment" is simple: it's self-awareness. Few people understand that concept of "self-awareness", however, so let me sum it up. Think of something you know. Be it your job, some hobby, whatever; doesn't matter, as long as you know the subject in and out - you've "mast...

Not to worry, Pam. Indeed, there is no other choice but to use dualistic concepts in order to gain an understanding of fundamental Oneness. I find that using the feminine/masculine principle is very useful, for those who can stomach it. Imagine if we drew a line that represented a dualistic charact...

Russell and ardy, I assume both of you are aware that the views you have on femininity and masculinity or values in general exist because of the principle of contrast and opposition (duality/relativity), the sense of being for this because one is against that. Which opens the door to considering th...

Sex can lead to covetousness, envy, lust (which I've enjoyed in my life), happiness, sadness, desire, pride and failure. All have their place in the grand game of sex. I find the constant theme of sex in all things a little tiring and contrary to creating lust it brings on a general ennui that seem...