GENIUS FORUMS

Dan: No; "purpose" is a consciously intended thing with a desired outcome. Are you saying that – "purpose" or a “consciously intended thing with a desired outcome” - is not caused? And is ‘causality’ some other product than what is produced? How exactly is ‘causality’ apart from...

Jehu: Perhaps we will have the good fortune to converse again in the future, for there is so much more that remains to be revealed. Good fortune? Hahaha… sure… perhaps… and I’m quite sure you have much more to reveal… but that would be a delusional undertaking I’m afraid, for exactly who would reve...

Jehu: It is the absolute that is aware in all cases, for there is no awareness apart from the absolute. I get it. It is the absolute that is aware, and not us , since we are the relative with no intrinsic causes and are not the absolute, hence in reality it is only the absolute that is aware. Thank...

J: The awakened ones are fully…. S: Do you consider yourself to be one of those awakened ones? J: Of what possible value is a question such as this? If I say that I am not an awakened being, then there are those who will completely disregard whatever I have said here, and if I say that I am such a ...

Jehu: In reality, all things are existentially one and the same entity, though they differ in their essence or appearance. It is ignorance on the part of the sentient being that gives rise to the notion of a separate or independently existing thing. The awakened ones are fully cognizant of all thin...

David: Not while he remains conscious

Heheehee.... but of course... I thought I had made that clear.

Jehu: As I stressed earlier in the thread, those names which I have attributed both to the Five Elements (aether, water, earth, fire and water), as well as those which denote the two primary aspects of Being (awareness and knowledge), are not themselves things, and therefore, cannot rightfully be n...

David: Egotism can be summed up as a lack of objectivity in one's thoughts and actions, or a lack of awareness of the largest possible perspective. This is even more fundamental than having or not having a sense of self. Quite reasonable, but I think that describes a self-based lack of understandin...

David: A person grows into a sage by virtue of the fact that he abandons a self-centered existence in favour of a truth-centered one. I think it is practically impossible not to operate self-centeredly, for the nature of consciousness is necessarily self-centered; I against all that is not I; and t...

David: Egotism can be summed up as a lack of objectivity in one's thoughts and actions, or a lack of awareness of the largest possible perspective. This is even more fundamental than having or not having a sense of self. Quite reasonable, but I think that describes a self-based lack of understandin...

David: What this potentiality beyond consciousness looks like (a meaningless question, of course), and how it operates to produce what we call conscious experience, is not something that can ever be known - by anyone or anything. It is an eternal mystery unto itself. That reminds me... do you mean ...

Dan: The question is, do you want to have fun or do you want to be true? Shahrazad: Why is having fun such a terrible thing? I don’t think so. Even being true could bring about the most fun of all. Isn’t it hilariously funny that except a few, none see the truth? I think Dan could be having the mos...

Well, ok then. Firstly, it is quite simple to understand that there are not two “beings”, two “existences” that is, but one existence, since non-existence is naught, so what actually is , is the two complementary aspects of ‘existence’, namely real/absolute/existential as against illusory/relative/...

Jehu: It is “existential being” that is the universal predicate, and it is because we have abstracted it from its complementary aspect, “essential being”, that we cannot say what it is; for the term “what it is” denotes the constitutive causes (essence) of an entity, but we are speaking of its oper...

DHodges wrote:Wrote all this before seeing Victor's explanation, which is more complete.

Thanks anyways, Dave.

BTW... Jason, "Do you actually know the above? Is the above provisional and subject to revision?"

Hahahaahaaa.... there we go again...!

Victor: There is no such thing as 'actually know'. All knowledge is provisional and contextual. All knowledge is subject to revision. You are demanding divine revelation, not knowledge.

But of course... I assumed what you mentioned was a divine revelation, not that I was demanding one.

Victor: If you throw a quantum die, its outcome will not be determined by the prior state of the world as best as we can determine . Randomness is when the outcomes of an event comprise a distribution such that specific outcomes aren't determined by the prior state of the system . Well, how can we ...

This might be of interest to you, Iolaus.

David: What this potentiality beyond consciousness looks like (a meaningless question, of course), and how it operates to produce what we call conscious experience, is not something that can ever be known - by anyone or anything. It is an eternal mystery unto itself. That reminds me... do you mean ...

Jehu, It is “existential being” that is the universal predicate, and it is because we have abstracted it from its complementary aspect, “essential being”, that we cannot say what it is; for the term “what it is” denotes the constitutive causes (essence) of an entity, but we are speaking of its opera...

Jason: God, it's like trying to feed a two year old using the 'choo-choo train going into tunnel' method David: Are these sorts of comments really necessary? Not really, but on the other hand… were these....? David: All that masturbation has evidently gone to your head. It's turned your brain to mu...

Iolaus, if I may… …at any rate we agree that that which perceives cannot perceive itself. I think it should actually read ‘cannot perceive its self’, since we are talking philosophically, but then what exactly is the act of ‘perception’, which does not already acknowledge the sense of there being so...

Jehu, Alright, let us begin wherever you will, but let us try to progress in a systematic fashion, and avoid any unnecessary speculation. Fine, you are absolutely correct about speculation, but is there a philosophical definition of ‘speculation’? Perhaps though it might be wise if we were to look f...

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Jehu, I think I better pick it up where I left off, if you don’t mind, but if you do, then please let me know, I will understand. And although I will question rationally, please do not expect me to speak in academic standards.

Iolaus: So you are calling me a dunce, and I'm afraid it is true.

Hehehe… no, not at all, your concerns are quite genuine, only that Jehu is quite genuinely enthusiastic and likes to make sure that the message is conveyed.