GENIUS FORUMS

<t>seven wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>In a world where 1+1 did not equal 2, A=A would still hold true. <hr> Yes, but only if the current definitions of 1, 2, etc, were changed. <br/> <br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> The abstract thought principle would have to correspond with the physical reality: ...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>Since you also assert that there is no ultimate difference between thought and [physical]reality, then there is also some unknown abstract principle, that somehow invalidates A=A in that specific world of all possible worlds, where 1+1 does not equal 2.<hr...

And elusive too.

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>Justifiable belief[based on evidence?] implies that a particular belief is true, but being justified in believing alone, does not necessarily mean that the belief is actually true. <br/> <br/> Anything that is radically at odds with our tidy consensus view...

<t>sevens wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>You stated that X=X and R=R, which is equivalent to Analog's 'X=X is true in its universe of applicability, which is only a sub-universe of the Totality.' Both statements are essentially saying, 'X=X in a realm, which separates it from Totality. But, also,...

<t>This is not the same thing. The enlightened sage doesn't have to suppress his emotions because he has none to suppress. In dissolving the core delusion that things inherently exist, he has eliminated the very fuel that generates emotions to arise in the first place. A fire cannot arise if there i...

<t>Sapius wrote: <br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> DQ: It's more than that. The process of developing into a sage is a long and arduous one and requires total commitment from the particpant, which means that the valuing of wisdom needs to become all-consuming. When this happens, your whole life is comple...

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Quote:Quote:<hr>If we assign what Analog stated with an A, and what David stated with a D, then we'd arrive at A = D.<hr> Why? Analog's statement isn't identical to mine. They are describing two very different views.

<t>sevens wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>If the universe is a Mind, then it would also follow that all past, present, and future states are One - existing as ideas, adhering to the infinite causal process.<hr> Past, present, and future states are One regardless of whether the universe is a Mind o...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> DQ: So what sort of intelligence do you imagine existed then? <br/> <br/> analog: You can clearly see that our localized intelligences are more specific, while the universal intelligence is more general. <hr> So what's an example of this universal general...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>Yes, x=x is true by definition within its universe of applicability, which can only be a sub-universe of the totality.<hr> I'm sure you're not aware of the hidden irony involved here. It's quite amusing. <br/> <br/> If, for argument's sake, there existed a...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> DQ: Are you now saying you are no longer certain that Reality is relational and ultimately nothing? <br/> <br/> analog: It can only be a hypothesis, not an absolute certainty in the universal sense. <hr> Then, from a philosophic perspective, it is worthle...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>The term "absolute" implies complete non-relationalism which cannot be the case.<hr> Yes, agreed, it does imply complete non-relationism. An absolute truth, for example, has no relationship to time or space. It is unchangeably true in all possible worlds. ...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> analog: For example, humans have evolved intelligence from our more primitive ancestors, who still had degrees of intelligence and consciousness.<br/> <br/> DQ: Yes, and it all started when a few amino acids randomly began to replicate in the primeval sou...

<t>Quote:Quote:<hr>Evolution of consciousness is the purpose of the universe.<hr> If our consciousness is to evolve, one of the first things we need to do is give up the idea that the universe has a purpose. It doesn't. There is only the process of cause and effect, and nothing else. It is blind, ai...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> DQ: On the contrary, the philosophy of absolutism is confirmed by this fact. For it is absolutely true that everything exists in relation to everything else, that nothing exists independently.<br/> <br/> analog: That seems to be a paradox. To state that t...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> DQ: We can just as easily say that unconsciousness/non-intelligence is a property of the whole Reality, because individual occurances of unconsciousness/mon-intelligence are connected to the whole of Reality and all aspects of Reality are interconnected a...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>DHodges: But nothing exists independantly. Everything exists in relation to everything else. That is the nature of existence.<br/> <br/> analog: That is exactly why the philosophy of absolutism is inherently flawed.<hr>On the contrary, the philosophy of ab...

<r>rwill wrote: <br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>David in one sense is right. You ARE making it too complicated. The fact is that he does not have enough neurons in that cranium to follow anything above what HE thinks is important.<br/> <br/> So, relax, and do not over do it. Stick to the basics and see ...

You might be right. Impermanence, eh?

<t>rwill wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>David,<br/> Stop playing games. A value judgement is no substitute for the process of doing things for the sake of living. <br/> <br/> It is called in Chinese " Wu Wei Wu ", i.e. to do without doing. The Tai Chi masters know it, and use it when making their...

<t>analog wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr>Intelligence/consciousness is a property of the whole Reality, because individual intelligences are connected to the whole of Reality and all aspects of Reality are interconnected and interrelated, with no non-real gaps.<hr> We can just as easily say that ...

<t>rwill wrote:<br/> <br/> Quote:Quote:<hr> DQ: It is similar to the way a tree is emotionally indifferent to all things and yet is naturally inclined to seek out sunlight and water, and to grow leaves and fruit. It's in its nature to do these things. In the same way, a sage naturally values wisdom ...

The point is, acts of discrimination and decison-making are entirely possible without there existing any "I" at all, which undermines Sapius's point.

In reality, there is never an "I" anywhere. Such an entity can never come into existence, other than as an illusion.

My thinking exactly. It helps keep the material connected to the author and his other works. This is important because it enables people to see a living personality behind the work.