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Jufa: Carmel states: Logic is a product of consciousness Jufa: When there is no logic for consciousness, because no one knows what consciousness is. This is a proven truth. Carmel: That's a misquote, I believe it was dejavu who said that...but while I'm here, what do you mean by "proven truth&...

Carmel states: Logic is a product of consciousness When there is no logic for consciousness, because no one knows what consciousness is. This is a proven truth. Gurrb states: The universe is merely a product of the human mind Gurrb, however, does not give cause for the existence of the human mind gu...

Dejavu! One moment you state the universe ask for more, the next you state the universe doesn't say anything- Give me more, more more of this logic, then pray tell, give me the logic for the creation of the universe. Dejavu you just said their is no ultimate logic for the existence of the universe, ...

Right method of inquiry - what does the universe ask? More is what it already is. What do I want? I know this because this question is the property of the universe. This is self evident because of this thread. If it is you or I asking the question that must be, according to the rules of logical, ca...

No, existence exists because it can't not exist. That is different from saying "the universe exists because..." Now you have answered the question unbeknowing. Existence doesn't exist because there is no logic for it to exist. Never give power to anything a person believes is their source...

The axiom is existence: that something exists and not not-exists. It comes before the "why". As logic cannot go further than the axioms it's based on, the question "why" cannot address existence. This does not annihilate logic, it only shows how logic is the ultimate consequence...

Without exception, men living within the pattern experience of their thinking are directed by the spirit principles of their moving thoughts. It is these moving thoughts which establish man's moral decrees, situations, circumstances conditions of beliefs, and how they will live their lives. No thoug...

I did. That the universe can do nought but exist.

Why? If you can't tell me why, then I'll see you when you get there.

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Hey Jufa you haven't answered my question yet! Quote: jufa: There is no logical reason for this universe to exist. dejavu: What about the logic that it can do none other? I will answer you when you tell me what that logic is about the logic that it can do none other? for the universe to exist. But ...

Beingofone you have expanded!!!

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength jufa

Hello Jufa and Movingalways, good to see you both on the path - as always.

Good journey to you

Hi Being!!!

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength jufa

Logic is about identifying what is real and what is imagined. Illumination is the same thing, enlightenment is all about sanity. Why do I exist? Because I want to, its why I eat. The same question given Jamesh to answer is given to you: "So pray tell what is that logic?" Never give power ...

Jamesh wrote:
Existence has the exact same logic as conceptual logic.

So pray tell what is that logic?

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Is koan any different than sitting quietly with ones self, slowing down all thoughts until a vaccum where no conditions can exist is formed so Spirit can enter where the matter of thought is not? Movement in meditation is thought, and a vaccum cannot occur where movement of thought matter is. Speaki...

jufa wrote: ... where one sees the potter's wheel turning smoothly, and noiselessly. D. v. Rhijn wrote But one never really does, you see? jufa's reply: How then can one claim dukkha can be comprehended, and not sukha the conjoined twin? Mo jufa wrote: What then of feelings and experiences of this f...

Consider for a moment that all activity is as such, including the feelings and experiences you're perhaps holding to be a manifestation of this "free-flowing wisdom". And it's not really halting of course - it's all dukkha, the potter's wheel screeching Consider for a moment that all acti...

with these words. "Open to the Infinite Underneath our everyday problems and their usual solutions are the profound questions of life. These questions call us to look deeper into the nature of ourselves and reality. This is not a call to turn away from the normal challenges we face, but rather ...

No one can define a Word, or group of words because it is always thought analyzing thought. I've found individuals attempt to describe functioning mechanism of words, i.e., thoughts receptivity, thinking, analyzing, imagining, projecting, and interpreted thought conclusions, not to mention visions o...

Jehu wrote: My view on the subject is quite clear: as I can find no fault with Parmenides reasoning on this matter, I am bound to accept his conclusion. This is the path of reason. What exists ‘exists’, and what does not exist ‘does not exist’ [Law of Identity], and as we cannot rightfully assert t...

Religion, like science or politics have shaped us in some ways we believe we understand, and other ways we probably don't understand. We are all product of a culture that embraces some conformity, and with believed maturity of that which shape our lives comes rejection or acceptance of certain thing...

Tomas, I stand corrected about the "h". Concerning Paul, he aint my apostle either. No comment on the issue of Paul and the anti-christ. As for the rest of what you present, I found myself speaking of what you have stated, with the exception of the Scriptures, in what I am about to post. H...

Jehu stated: If by the term ‘logic’ you mean ‘reason’, then Parmenides wrote in his poem “On Nature”, “Whatever can be spoken or thought of necessarily is, since it is possible for it to be, but it is not possible for nothing to be.” By this he meant that the very question, “Why is there existence ...

Tomas note: Just a couple comments before reply (in part) as prolly won't finish response in one sitting. And take your time in a response. -jufa- THERE IS NO LOGIC FOR ANYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE TO EXIST. To be more precise, there is no logic to existence. From my vision, this concludes all that ex...

Very smooth words of abstraction you have laid down. If I may, I'd like to say I would like to widen your subject matter in this vein. It is the individual man who cast the shadow of himself, and it is the individual who must overcome the final obstacle, which is himself. Always it has been the inte...

Depavu Jupa: Quote: There is no logical reason for mankind to exist. Actually, there are quite a few! Quote: There is no logical reason for this universe to exist. What about the logic that it can do none other? Quote: There is no logical reason for you and I to exist You're just looking for a logic...